Do you think I should?

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I heard Muslims say that about Sufis before, it is your free choice to have this opinion

Oh I'm sure, and can prove it just by proving links on the internet to your own sites and how your leaders discuss things.

I use to be Sufi inclined, and use to argue against Shiites who hated Sufism, but I know why Ahlulbayt (a) warned us. I've done my research.

Oneness of existence is Tawhid argument true, doesn't give the right to mix all sorts of conjecture and magic of Iblis, with Islam, because you know God is the light of all light and is the core of all existence.

 

[firedragon]

I already know it's not a 'few'. That ought to be obvious by now.

Ah. So by "few" you must be thinking 2 or 3 out of one and a half billion people.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

Muslim countries tend not to believe in separation of church and state like the US does, so the extremists in the US don't tend to do more than vote in draconian laws, treat people they don't like badly, and tip with Chick tracts at Denny's on Sunday.

It's a good thing we have that separation!

I don't think that's a "Muslim" issue, since there are plenty of Muslims that likely enjoy this separation and plenty of Christians that don't.

 

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Ilmel Jafr is the Shiite version of astrology too. Don't worry, even Shiites felt into the trap.

No one is left, we became like children of Israel who too followed sorcery and mixed it all up.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Oh I'm sure, and can prove it just by proving links on the internet to your own sites and how your leaders discuss things.

I use to be Sufi inclined, and use to argue against Shiites who hated Sufism, but I know why Ahlulbayt (a) warned us. I've done my research.

Oneness of existence is Tawhid argument true, doesn't give the right to mix all sorts of conjecture and magic of Iblis, with Islam, because you know God is the light of all light and is the core of all existence.

Again you are free to hold your view of me or of Sufism.

 

[Link]

Regarding God knowing the future and it being set, the belief in fate/qadr got to be worse belief in God you can have in my view. To believe God knows the future and it's all written would mean Soothsayers are right and it would be like Imam Ali (a) said when he refuted an astrologist telling him not to fight a battle because of the signs in the sky, Imam Ali (a) long reply I will paraphrase said the creation would be some kind of cosmic joke (which is what really if you ask the whores/soothsayers/preverts they will tell you they believe).

Islam rejects fatalism.

Ilmel Jafr is astrology. I can prove this beyond doubt and I will in the future, but have to get on top of an assignment due in 5 days.

Fatalist are wrong though, future is not destined, and God reveals plans every night of qadr (once a year) in summary and reveals details through out the year.

But because we give into sorcery, Iblis plans and fate has a reality, if we don't fight it off through help of God and Ahlulbayt (a).

 

[Link]

Again you are free to hold your view of me or of Sufism.

You are innocent, you just don't perceive the wolf in sheep clothing.

 

[Dropship]

..Mostly all muslims are peace loving people who want the best for others..

Christians want that too, so why don't muslims simply become christians?
After all, Jesus was around 600 years before Islam, so why didn't they stick with him?..

 

[Spirit of Light]

Christians want that too, so why don't muslims simply become christians?
After all, Jesus was around 600 years before Islam, so why didn't they stick with him?..

Muslims see Muhammad as the last prophet. that is the main reason in my view. Jesus was the prophet before Muhammad so actually we respect all the prophets who were before

 

[exchemist]

Thank you @exchemist There has to be a form of calming down in the Muslim world yes

But more than calming within the muslim world, there has to be more productive and active engagement with the wider societies that members of the muslim community inhabit. There is no "muslim world" independent of the wider world. We are all intertwined and must live together, in all our variety.

 

[Spirit of Light]

But more than calming within the muslim world, there has to be more productive and active engagement with the wider societies that members of the muslim community inhabit. There is no "muslim world" independent of the wider world. We are all intertwined and must live together, in all our variety.

Yes, because now Muslims live all over the world there would be a need to be able to live together as one.

 

[Brinne]

Are you in the belief that because I chose to convert to Sufi islam i should become a hater, rapist, woman hater, sexist, liar, criminal, murderer?

This is the feeling i get from a very few people, that because I personally chose to become a Muslim I would automatically become a Taliban who hate everything except them selves and their ego?

That is not the islam i see. That is not the purpose of the teaching.

Isnt it the people who do those horrible things to others that is the issue? Those who use the verses made during time of war to justify their own evil deeds?

Mostly all muslims are peace loving people who want the best for others.

Why let the few who are not, destroy the many who want you happiness and love?

May it be that it takes time and effort daily to understand the teaching, but those who do not study can only see the words, but not the truth?

I know its been said but ultimately it's a decision that's only between God and you, what others thinks shouldn't matter. People who are quick to judge you without first getting to know you have way more issues themselves that they should be worrying about.

Any ideology, creed, or faith (secular or not) will always be misrepresented at some point, by someone, in some way.

 

[Spirit of Light]

I know its been said but ultimately it's a decision that's only between God and you, what others thinks shouldn't matter. People who are quick to judge you without first getting to know you have way more issues themselves that they should be worrying about.

Any ideology, creed, or faith (secular or not) will always be misrepresented at some point, by someone, in some way.

Thank you
In an other OP I wrote to the person who started the OP that "it is the message that is important not the messenger"

And I thought of this OP. Thinking whoops that message could have been to myself

 

[Aupmanyav]

Muslims see Muhammad as the last prophet. that is the main reason in my view. Jesus was the prophet before Muhammad so actually we respect all the prophets who were before

But none after him - e.g., Bahaollah or Mirza Gholam Ahmad.

Imam Ali (a) long reply I will paraphrase said the creation would be some kind of cosmic joke (which is what really if you ask the whores/soothsayers/preverts they will tell you they believe).

But malā'ikah, Iblis and Jinn are facts.

 

[Spirit of Light]

But none after him - e.g., Bahaollah or Mirza Gholam Ahmad.

Speaking only for my own belief, I believe Muhammad was the last as the teaching said, What other people from other religions believe must be up to them to believe.

 

[Rival]

***THREAD MOVED TO RELIGIOUS DEBATES***​

 

[Spirit of Light]

***THREAD MOVED TO RELIGIOUS DEBATES***​

Thank you for moving the thread @Rival

 

[VoidCat]

I really wanted to get some more information on your system or belief. I found it fascinating to note you have said "satanic paganism". I know about the satanic church etc etc, but I have never heard about your belief. But sigh, another day, another time. I would like to know more.

I changed it to Luciferian pagan witch as I have been meaning to for a long time. Do you still wish to know more? If so I'll start a new thread.

 

[Link]

@firedragon and note to all Muslims, remember if you go to these people, your Salah not accepted for 40 days. And if you believe in what they say, you are a disbeliever per Mohammad (s). Better to learn how they really work from Quran and Sunnah.

 

[firedragon]

I changed it to Luciferian pagan witch as I have been meaning to for a long time. Do you still wish to know more? If so I'll start a new thread.

Ray of Light. Yes. I would love to know more. But its a personal request, and I will value your time a lot. Thank you very much.