Do you think I should?

[Subduction Zone]

So you make up history because of biases?

Again, I do not do that. You appear to believe biased sources. I do not make your error of falsely accusing others.

 

[firedragon]

It's the contract, God protects, but if we go to them, he gives them permission. Do what you will. I've been through it.

Very good brother. Please be through with it. If you really want a sectarian debate, open a new thread. No problem.

 

[Link]

Again, I do not do that. You appear to believe biased sources. I do not make your error of falsely accusing others.

All historians are biased.

 

[Dropship]

Allah means God so the way my Sufi teacher explained it to me, yes Abrahamic God is the same God for all of the Abrahamic religions.

Koran 5.51 says- "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends"

So why doesn't Allah like Christians? What have they done to upset him?

 

[Link]

Very good brother. Please be through with it. If you really want a sectarian debate, open a new thread. No problem.

Brother, if you read their books, they will write "part of the sorcerer way is to confuse and deceive non-insiders" and this might be confusing for you, but they believing in layering truth and that you have to earn levels to get to more secrets.

Anyways, do what you must. I dabbled too long in it myself. Have fun.

 

[firedragon]

Brother, if you read their books, they will write "part of the sorcerer way is to confuse and deceive non-insiders" and this might be confusing for you, but they believing in layering truth and that you have to earn levels to get to more secrets.

Anyways, do what you must. I dabbled too long in it myself. Have fun.

Irrelevant. I really, really dont want to embarrass you. So please just leave your hatred based theological strife in your own lawn.

 

[Link]

Irrelevant. I really, really dont want to embarrass you. So please just leave your hatred based theological strife in your own lawn.

I advised you. Decision is up to you.

 

[firedragon]

Koran 5.51 says- "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends"

So why doesn't Allah like Christians? What have they done to upset him?

When you people learn theology from websites, at least try to go to the source and do a Childs value of research.

You are quoting the Quran. So could you please tell me what does Wali and Awliya mean?

 

[Fool]

God only is known through Quran and Ahlulbayt (a) and other hypothetical Creators can't be canditates. Like Elyas (a) said to Bani-Israel, not to believed in is others as God is the best of the Creators (hypothetical ones) and they have no comparison, and if they did, still, they are without proofs.

yet here you are trying to get another to believe you. muhammad didn't need another, the prophets didn't either. i don't need someone filtering god for me, let alone a book. like god can only do this once. Are you serious?


god doesn't need a koran, bible, tanakh, or a stranger communitcating to someone else what god knows

you believe god has to speak to a person through a book. that god has to be realized through another? in some other place, in some other religion, in some other thing?


i'll keep my 1st person experience and know for myself.

 

[firedragon]

I advised you. Decision is up to you.

Taking advice from you is worse than taking advice from a sophomore on quranic form. I never expected this kind of bigotry from you, so no more should you expect anything better.

When someone else has a different theology to yours, dont call them liars. If someone taught you to be like that, they are the liars.

 

[Link]

yet hear you are trying to get another to believe you. muhammad didn't need another, the prophets didn't either. i don't need someone filtering god for me, let alone a book. like god can only do this once. Are you serious?


god doesn't need a koran, bible, tanakh, or a stranger communitcating to someone else what god knows

you believe god has to speak to a person through a book.

Ahlulbayt (a) occupy the heavenly (higher realm) and are lights for those who gaze upon God's light. Those who turn to Jinn and Ifriti types or other types won't even know God, they know but their desires.

 

[VoidCat]

@firedragon
I have made the post here:
My beliefs

It's a little long I apologize. But I wrote out a basic overview

 

[Link]

Taking advice from you is worse than taking advice from a sophomore on quranic form. I never expected this kind of bigotry from you, so no more should you expect anything better.

When someone else has a different theology to yours, dont call them liars. If someone taught you to be like that, they are the liars.

There is an exception, and it's those who part of their doctrine is deception and clouding and layering "truth" which comes with sorcerers and soothsayers, and that is why Mohammad (s) said not to go to them and if you believe in what they say, then you are out the fold of Islam at that point per ahadith about this.

The Satanic astrology is the one thing Mohammad (s) said not to trust for any information and not to even begin trying to learn, because it's layered illusions with Satan behind it, but up to you bro.

We can learn all sorts of knowledge, but this was warned about to lead astray and open afflictions.

 

[firedragon]

It depends who you ask.

If you dont know something, dont make bogus claims SZ. When someone asks a question that is basically based on language, dont make this kind of baseless claims.

 

[firedragon]

@firedragon
I have made the post here:
My beliefs

It's a little long I apologize. But I wrote out a basic overview

I saw that brother. I am yet to read it. I will probably have some questions. So please bear with me.

 

[firedragon]

There is an exception, and it's those who part of their doctrine is deception and clouding and layering "truth" which comes with sorcerers and soothsayers, and that is why Mohammad (s) said not to go to them and if you believe in what they say, then you are out the fold of Islam at that point per ahadith about this.

The Satanic astrology is the one thing Mohammad (s) said not to trust and not to even begin trying to learn, because it's layered illusions with Satan behind it, but up to you bro.

Yeah. They will tell you that your theology is deception. So please keep exchanging rhetoric like that. I think you are ready to make thakfir on people. And if you think you are God, it is you who is a mushrikeen. So maybe you should watch yourself.

 

[VoidCat]

I saw that brother. I am yet to read it. I will probably have some questions. So please bear with me.

Let me just say being called brother just now makes me extremely happy and gives gender euphoria. So thank you for that. I'll ride that high all day. And yes I'll bear with you. Just was letting you know I posted it.

 

[Link]

Yeah. They will tell you that your theology is deception. So please keep exchanging rhetoric like that. I think you are ready to make thakfir on people. And if you think you are God, it is you who is a mushrikeen. So maybe you should watch yourself.

Brother, I use to read books at chapters as non-Muslim and outright they will claim to be responsible for religions (Jinn and their associates from humans) and they justify layering the religion with falsehoods and that people all have options but at the core is one reality and truth. They want to come up with a plan to show it was them behind all religions but also explain why they lied and deceived, and the truth is now finally to be revealed without layers to humans.

I don't why I left Islam and would read their books, but, I am telling you things I've read.

They are Jinn Worshipers - trust them if you wish.

 

[Fool]

Ahlulbayt (a) occupy the heavenly (higher realm) and are lights for those who gaze upon God's light. Those who turn to Jinn and Ifriti types or other types won't even know God, they know but their desires.

an infinite thing can't reside in just a higher realm; otherwise it's limited and not infinite.

god is omnipresent.

this what tawheed implies. that god is present. there is no god and something, anything else.


the union, oneness is the realization of the self as a temporal form of god. the earthly manifestation is temporal. the spirit is eternal and is god's.

you can't have gods, angels, spirits, that are eternal, infinite. that again would limit the Absolute's infinite being. that god couldn't be absolute, couldn't be one, couldn't be eternal


don't get lulled by angels in higher realms. god is NOW and ONE


how do you like that?

 

[firedragon]

Again, I do not do that. You appear to believe biased sources. I do not make your error of falsely accusing others.

So which historical sources were you referring to SZ? You were talking about unbiased historians who said that Islam used the sword to spread the theology.

See, every tom, dick, and harry worth their salt know that its an absolutely false idea propagated by non scholarly, bias sources. But lets see who your so called "unbiased historians are" which you said so generally.

Sorry @Conscious thoughts I got aggravated a bit because of an attempt at bigotry. Apologies.