Frank Goad
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Do you think Revelation 19:1 implies we go to heaven when we die? 
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Do you think Revelation 19:1 implies we go to heaven when we die?
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paarsurrey
Veteran Member
" Revelation 19:1 "Do you think Revelation 19:1 implies we go to heaven when we die?
Does one find some fault with (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah* and his teachings, it seems, that one does not quote from him, please, right?
One should know that " Revelation 19:1" is not from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah*, please:
Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible
Right?
Regards
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*Kidnly get informed that Yeshua did not die a cursed death on the Cross as per many clues in the Gospels, please, right?
Do you think Revelation 19:1 implies we go to heaven when we die?
I see it implies some do in a state of awareness.
One has to look elsewhere as to who they may be.
Regards Tony
The Greek word rendered as “much people” in the KJV, is not an accurate rendering. It should be rendered “great crowd” or “great multitude”, which is what modern versions of Scripture render it. (Don’t tie yourself to one Bible, especially an old one that only had 9th to 10th century manuscripts to go by.)
Is there a “great crowd” in heaven? Certainly there are…. the angels, there’s millions of them!
To render that as “people”, is taking liberties with the text.
I’d encourage you to use other Bibles as well.
Is there a “great crowd” in heaven? Certainly there are…. the angels, there’s millions of them!
To render that as “people”, is taking liberties with the text.
I’d encourage you to use other Bibles as well.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
This is the one thing that really confuses me about the Christian afterlife. On the one hand Christians talk about their spirits being in heaven with God, but on the other hand they talk about being resurrected. Well, which is it? Do you know?Do you think Revelation 19:1 implies we go to heaven when we die?
Do you think Revelation 19:1 implies we go to heaven when we die?
Revelation 19:1-2 is about the overthrow of the "great prostitute", today portrayed by the Gentile church, built on the church of Babylon, and mirrored by the Roman church, which was built on the foundation of the message of the "false prophet", Paul (Zech 11:10) and the "worthless shepherd" (Zech 11:17), Peter, brought about at the "end of the age" when the "tares" (godless/lawless), who are nurtured on the message of the "evil one"/"devil" (Mt 13)(Gen 3:4), are "gathered" and thrown into the "furnace of fire" (great tribulation/Har-Magedon). You need to define "we", and "heaven".
Rev 19:1-2
19 After these things I heard something like a loud voice of a great multitude in heaven, saying,
“Hallelujah! Salvation, glory, and power belong to our God, 2 because His judgments are true and righteous; for He has judged the great prostitute who was corrupting the earth with her sexual immorality, and He has avenged the blood of His bond-servants on her.” 3 And a second time they said, “Hallelujah! Her smoke rises forever and ever.” 4 And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped God who sits on the throne, saying, “Amen. Hallelujah!” 5 And a voice came from the throne, saying,
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
And that's not all of what Christians believe about the afterlife. Some Christians believe in soul sleep, which the Bible also describes in several scriptures (Daniel 12:2, 2 Chronicles 32:33, 2 Chronicles 33:20, 1 Kings 15:8, 1 Kings 16:28, 2 Kings 13:13, 2 Kings 14:29, John 11:11–15, 1 Thessalonians 4:13–17). However, 2 Corinthians 5:8 implies that the people who believe in Jesus will be in heaven with him following their death, and Hebrews 9:27 implies that believers and non-believers alike will face judgment immediately following their death. On the other hand, Revelation 20:13 appears to suggest the opposite of these two scriptures because it says that "the sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them," and "each individual was judged according to what they had done." If there are human spirits residing in the sea, then how do they immediately face judgment after their death?
Most Christians claim that the Bible is the inerrant and infallible Word of God, but they can't seem to agree on what will happen to people in the afterlife. Do human spirits rise upward from the earth, as Ecclesiastes 3:21 suggests, or do some rise from the sea and Hades and then face judgment (Revelation 20:13)? Or, after death, do all human spirits immediately face God's judgment (Hebrews 9:27), and all the faithful followers of Jesus are instantly in his presence (2 Corinthians 5:8)? Or do all human spirits (both believers and nonbelievers) fall asleep in the grave to be resurrected and judged later in the alleged end times (1 Thessalonians 4:13–17, Revelation 20:11–15)? What is the answer? It seems the answer about the Bible's claims about the afterlife depends on which Christians you ask.
If the dead know nothing, as Ecclesiastes 9:5 suggests, then how would they know if they're in heaven or hell? This verse also suggests that there is no final reward for the dead and that even their names are forgotten, which is in contrast to several other verses in the Bible that imply there are final rewards bestowed in heaven (like these verses here) and that people's names have been written in a "Book of Life" that God is said to have on hand (see the verses here), as well as their names being recorded in heaven (Luke 10:20).
Muffled
Jesus in me
Do you think Revelation 19:1 implies we go to heaven when we die?
I believe the word is heaven not Heaven.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the book is the revelation of Jesus whether someone did red letters or not so the answer is that it is directly from Jesus.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the statement is literally true. Baha's tend tot ry to make everything a metaphor. That does provide a way to avoid the truth.
Joshua Pryce
Member
I think it does. What is salvation. A heaven where we want to go and the requirements to get there. God bless.Do you think Revelation 19:1 implies we go to heaven when we die?
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
paarsurrey said: ↑
" Revelation 19:1 "
Does one find some fault with (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah* and his teachings, it seems, that one does not quote from him, please, right?
One should know that " Revelation 19:1" is not from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah*, please:
Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible
Right?
Regards
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*Kindly get informed that Yeshua did not die a cursed death on the Cross as per many clues in the Gospels, please, right?
If yes, then kindly quote from him instead of one's simple " believing" without any reasonable ground/argument for it, please, right?
Regards
" Revelation 19:1 "
Does one find some fault with (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah* and his teachings, it seems, that one does not quote from him, please, right?
One should know that " Revelation 19:1" is not from (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah*, please:
Holy Bible King James Version (Red Letter Edition)
The Roman Catholic Holy Bible with the words of Jesus in red.
World Messianic Bible
Right?
Regards
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*Kindly get informed that Yeshua did not die a cursed death on the Cross as per many clues in the Gospels, please, right?
Did (Jesus) Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah ever claim that Book of Revelation is from him, please? Right?
If yes, then kindly quote from him instead of one's simple " believing" without any reasonable ground/argument for it, please, right?
Regards
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If that is true, then how are the meek to “inherit the earth”? Matthew 5:5.Do you think Revelation 19:1 implies we go to heaven when we die?
Cf. Psalms 37:10-11; Psalms 37:29
You like the KJ, right? Then why does Revelation 5:11 say Jesus and those chosen are going to “reign on the earth”?
So all Christians are gonna be in heaven, while Jesus and His associate kings are here “on the earth”?
What sense does that make?
Christendom’s confusion! Lol.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the full title of the book is The Revelation f Jesus Christ and the first verse says this: "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."