Do you think some or most members of ISIL believe they are Muslims? Please read first post.

[Sakeenah]

^This^

It is because of the reality of what you are explaining here that I considered the question raised in the OP to be more than a bit juvenile. Are they opportunists playing on the deep resentment and hatred festering in the minds of their followers. You bet they are. Are they trying to procure a political ambition through guerilla tactics. You bet they are, though it is hard to comprehend how barbaric such a political climate would be in such a quasi-caliphate. But to ask if they think they are Muslims? Seriously? Of course they seem themselves as the BEST of Muslims and woe betide the hide of anyone who falls short of their expectations as to what that means and entails. In their minds they follow the Caliph. This gives that individual extraordinary powers to command and it is of little consequence to the leaders or their followers if anyone disputes their vision of Islam. The answer to how to deal with such opposition is clearly written in the wars that Muhammad fought.

Further to this, they are not here to setup a conventional country that begs for a seat at the U.N. They are here to destroy the current world order and likely see themselves as anointed by God to do so.

They are oppurtunists

 

[FearGod]

It doesn't matter what you or I think about them, FearGod. It's about how they view themselves.

They're hypocrites using Islam as a tool to control the region but they failed.

 

[YmirGF]

They're hypocrites using Islam as a tool to control the region but they failed.

If you say so.

 

[FearGod]

If you say so.

Events and facts say it and not me.

 

[YmirGF]

Events and facts say it and not me.

Of course they do.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Now I am sure there are those in ISIL that do believe they are Muslim and some do not. However I want to know what you think. I believe that those who think ISIL is Islamic in any way cherry pick words from the Koran and ignore others. Yeah Extremists do that believe it or not. And those who do not are just lunatics wanting to find some way to kill, rape, and inflict pain and "get away" with it.

By the way here is some good news.

I expect that most of them not only believe that they are Muslim, but are also the only true Muslims. This is always characteristic of fundamentalists of any religion. Seems to be an odd question honestly.

 

[LuisDantas]

I don't get what you're getting at.

I just don't find it at all reasonable that we have become so jaded towards casual killing of radicals even without officially declared conflict, yet it is somehow perceived as unproper to take them at their word that they are believers fighting for the glory of God.

When and why did slaughter become a lesser offense when compared to calling people to stand for the extent and consequences of their stated beliefs and actions?

 

[LuisDantas]

Well I did say that people like to kill and so on and "get away" with it. Also to many they say: Islam, death, or sex slavery(women). Keep that in mind.

That is not an answer.

 

[LuisDantas]

Just wondering...If Islam didn't exist would some other group be a plague on the world somewhere? Yes. Islam is just something they hold on to. If it wasn't Koran then it would be anything else.Some people want to kill and so on. Sometimes they need a reason sometimes they do not.

True enough... but no reason to ignore the plain fact that the Quran and Islam are what they are.

And what they are is a doctrine far too casual about trampling over people's freedoms and safety, and far too submissive to a barely disguised imperialistic, supremacist conception of God.

That there are other things to watch out against in no way denies the need to challenge such dangerous notions.

 

[FearGod]

True enough... but no reason to ignore the plain fact that the Quran and Islam are what they are.

And what they are is a doctrine far too casual about trampling over people's freedoms and safety, and far too submissive to a barely disguised imperialistic, supremacist conception of God.

That there are other things to watch out against in no way denies the need to challenge such dangerous notions.

So you believe Islam is bad and should be eliminated because it doesn't suit your way of life, Islam and quran.

 

[LuisDantas]

So you believe Islam is bad

Yes, I most certainly do. Any doctrine that can't help but demand belief in God is by definition undesirable. Islam perhaps slightly more than most others, among other reasons because it emphasizes that need so much and goes all the way to expect submission to it as well - even from non-believers.

and should be eliminated because it doesn't suite your way of life,

I do expect people to eventually let go of that what causes harm and waste of precious human good will, yes.

Islam and quran.

What about them?

 

[FearGod]

Yes, I most certainly do. Any doctrine that can't help but demand belief in God is by definition undesirable. Islam perhaps slightly more than most others, among other reasons because it emphasizes that need so much and goes all the way to expect submission to it as well - even from non-believers.



I do expect people to eventually let go of that what causes harm and waste of precious human good will, yes.



What about them?

If you see Islam and quran as a bad way of life then that doesn't mean it's the same view
for the others, people are free in their choices, so you have no business for how the others wanted to live.

 

[LuisDantas]

If you see Islam and quran as a bad way of life then that doesn't mean it's the same view
for the others,

Obviously.

people are free in their choices, so you have no business for how the others wanted to live.

I wish. For good or worse, how we live our lives has a lot of impact on other people.

 

[FearGod]

I wish. For good or worse, how we live our lives has a lot of impact on other people.

Yes of course, those who are daily drunk and the drug addicts affecting the living of others, besides
the ones living for sexual pleasure and transmitting sexual diseases to humans.

Yes kind of garbage style of life.

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes of course, those who are daily drunk and the drug addicts affecting the living of others, besides
the ones living for sexual pleasure and transmitting sexual diseases to humans.

Yes kind of garbage style of life.

And there are also those who rely so much on theistic beliefs as to become dangerous and harmful to others.

It would perhaps be a better world if it turned out that sincere belief in God consistently made people wiser, more compassionate, more loving.

But it is a plain fact that such is just not the case at all.

 

[FearGod]

And there are also those who rely so much on theistic beliefs as to become dangerous and harmful to others.

It would perhaps be a better world if it turned out that sincere belief in God consistently made people wiser, more compassionate, more loving.

But it is a plain fact that such is just not the case at all.

Yes it isn't the case today, that was prophesied to happen and it did.

 

[LuisDantas]

Yes it isn't the case today, that was prophesied to happen and it did.

That belief in God would be a bad idea?

 

[FearGod]

That belief in God would be a bad idea?

Why believing in God is a bad idea?

 

[LuisDantas]

Why believing in God is a bad idea?

Making a point of it certainly is, mainly because it causes moral confusion and repression (the strongest when it is seen as an important thing).

At its best, theism is very useful as a source of inspiration and motivation for some people. But it can just as easily lead many towards feeling disconnected from their own moral responsibility or even worse.

Expecting it (belief in God) from others is very much a bad thing. It makes societies hypocritical and leads to needless, destructive guilt and many other unhealthy traits.

 

[FearGod]

Making a point of it certainly is, mainly because it causes moral confusion and repression (the strongest when it is seen as an important thing).

At its best, theism is very useful as a source of inspiration and motivation for some people. But it can just as easily lead many towards feeling disconnected from their own moral responsibility or even worse.

Expecting it (belief in God) from others is very much a bad thing. It makes societies hypocritical and leads to needless, destructive guilt and many other unhealthy traits.

Religion has nothing to do with people's moral standards.

People fight each others regardless of their beliefs, many countries are searching for better weapons
to kill more people in a single struck, Russia, China, Us, North Korea and others looking for better weapons
to kill more humans, its actually a blessing that many of them have the power to destroy each others
which prevent them of killing each others.