Do you think that Egyptians used advanced (for our time) knowledge/technology to build the pyramids?

[Rakovsky]

The pyramids, particularly at Giza, are a fascinating mind puzzle, and the claim that advanced knowledge or technology was used to build them is interesting. When I mean advanced, I mean even for our time, like machine tooling with diamond blades.

1. What in your opinion are the strongest evidence(s) that either advanced technology or knowledge was used (or not) in building the pyramids?

2. May one prove that the pyramids were built other than as a simple burial place?

3. May you please recommend an article (eg. a few pages), in which the most persuasive, clearest argument is made in your view that advanced technology was (or was not) used?

4. What do you think the strongest argument or evidence is that in Egypt there was advanced technology or knowledge?

5. Do you think that excavations could bring up amazing discoveries in Egypt, like Edgar Cayce's "Hall of Records?" If you were allowed to lead such excavations, where would you go to dig?

Nota bene: I understand that this is not a Science forum per se, but the claim that advanced knowledge/sofia/enlightened information was used would seem to go along with some Kemetic claims that Egyptians had superior knowledge.

In the next message I will try to give some answers of my own but I'm interested in yours.

 

[psychoslice]

I think it was just determination and a lot of sweat.

 

[Eliab ben Benjamin]

יעקב Yakob

 

[Rakovsky]

Here I will give a few answers, and I'm also interested in yours.

3. Articles for/against the idea advanced knowledge or technology were used in the pyramids.

Tim Stouse's website lists impressive many mathematical facts (and claims) about the pyramid, its geometry, alignment, and construction.
http://www.timstouse.com/EarthHistory/Egypt/GreatPyramid/interestingfacts.htm
For example, it claims:

The Great Pyramid had a swivel door entrance at one time. Swivel doors were found in only two other pyramids: Khufu's father and grandfather, Sneferu and Huni, respectively.
It is reported that when the pyramid was first broken into that the swivel door, weighing some 20 tons, was so well balanced that it could be opened by pushing out from the inside with only minimal force, but when closed, was so perfect a fit that it could scarcely be detected and there was not enough crack or crevice around the edges to gain a grasp from the outside.

The Ancient Wisdom website talks about alignments and subterranean passages around Giza, which is interesting, but it doesn't make a direct argument that advanced technology was used.
http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/pyramids.htm
http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/gizaunderground.htm
http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/egyptghiza.htm
http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/Ghiza essay.htm

Contra
This science article explains how students can make models of the pyramids aligned to compass directions and have other geometric features like the pyramids. It is not a direct debunking article but it implies that such advanced knowledge is not needed.
Pyramid Orientation
A Possible Method the Ancient Egyptians Might Have Used to Orient their Pyramids So Precisely to the Compass Directions
http://www.science-projects.com/Pyramid.htm

"Simple and low-tech" was mentioned over and over here for good reason. People today like thinking in "high tech" terms, and are often befuddled at how primitive and ancient people could accomplish rather precise tasks. "Elegant" thinking (simple, clever, low-tech) is almost a lost art.

This essay lists and summarizes some reasons why it doesn't look like the Egyptians used advanced technology. He mentions the remains of workers and work camps being found in large numbers and the lack of discoveries of Out of Place Artifacts (like a 4500 year old diamond drill bit in an electric drill). Still he says there are many unsolved questions about them like what form of lighting they used that didn't leave major soot and how they retained oxygen in the cramped spaces with many workers.
Aliens Did Not Build The Egyptian Pyramids
https://www.scientificexploration.org/forum/aliens-did-not-build-the-egyptian-pyramids


4. The best evidence that Egypt had advanced knowledge
For me that's the pyramids

The Ancient Wisdom site has a webpage called Extreme Egyptian Masonry that doesn't just discuss pyramids, but also talks about production of vases, a disc and a funnel. It mentions theories of machine tooling at an advanced level, but doesn't go into detail to prove them.
http://www.ancient-wisdom.com/egyptxtremasonry.htm

5. Possible finds from excavations

This article interviews an Egyptologist who has done research with the Egyptian authorities. The essay discusses tunnels under the sphinx and pyramids

Boris Said Interviewed By Kenneth and Dee Burke, Secret Tunnels of the Giza Plateau,
http://www.timstouse.com/EarthHistory/Egypt/GreatPyramid/secrettunnels.htm

 

[Aštra’el]

 

[Rakovsky]

Horus says:

 

[Tumah]

Boris Said Interviewed By Kenneth and Dee Burke, Secret Tunnels of the Giza Plateau,
http://www.timstouse.com/EarthHistory/Egypt/GreatPyramid/secrettunnels.htm

Boris Said.
Bratva meets ISIS.
Scary.

 

[Rakovsky]

יעקב Yakob

Jakob probably would not be related to it - The first major pyramids at Saqqara are probably dated to c. 2890 – c. 2686 BC., the pyramids of Giza were made in about 2500-2300 BC, while the Canaanites and Hyksos from the Levant came into Egypt around the 18th c. BC. I don't rule it out 100% though.

If they were due to Joseph and Israelites, I would have expected more impressive, earlier remains at the Temple Mount and would have thought Joshua would have brought major skills in building to Israel in the pre-Davidic era.

Speaking of Jacob though, I think the story of Jacob in Gen 41 is evidence that the Egyptians believed in monotheism, or at least a major portion of them did. In that chapter, Pharaoh acknowledges God sympathetically.

 

[George-ananda]

So many sources I find respectable talk about past advanced civilizations that have passed and that they spread their knowledge to some of the less advanced civilizations. Atlantean race? Lemurian race? And they experienced accelerated evolution by non-human (i.e. alien) intervention. Their land and civilizations collapsed and became destroyed leaving those groups on the slow evolution path the dominant human race.

My best guess as to the question: 'Do you think that Egyptians used advanced (for our time) knowledge/technology to build the pyramids?' would be 'Yes'.

I see our current society at the stage where many people think it is wacky to believe in anything paranormal or alien or lost advanced civilizations or etc.. I see that slowly changing just in my lifetime. One entity I respect used a football field analogy of going the field for a touchdown (full understanding). Some ancient civilizations had people up to their own 40 yard line, their loss has humanity in general at about our own 12 yard line at this time.

 

[Brickjectivity]

1. What in your opinion are the strongest evidence(s) that either advanced technology or knowledge was used (or not) in building the pyramids?

It has been suggested that the blocks may be a type of concrete.

2. May one prove that the pyramids were built other than as a simple burial place?

I think that rulers like to build dynasties and to make a big deal out of themselves, so it makes sense that Pharoahs would want entire pyramids to bury themselves in.

3. May you please recommend an article (eg. a few pages), in which the most persuasive, clearest argument is made in your view that advanced technology was (or was not) used?

https://www.geopolymer.org/archaeology/pyramids/are-pyramids-made-out-of-concrete-1/

4. What do you think the strongest argument or evidence is that in Egypt there was advanced technology or knowledge?

We have a good idea of how they do their Math, geometry and Astronomy. It is 'Advanced' but different. They use a binary system to handle division. Their Math is good enough. They don't have Calculus or Number Theory, but they can still do many things with their Math.

5. Do you think that excavations could bring up amazing discoveries in Egypt, like Edgar Cayce's "Hall of Records?" If you were allowed to lead such excavations, where would you go to dig?

Its not clear where Edgar Cayce's information comes from. His medical cures have not become common knowledge or widely used though some people say that he helped them. His followers also are vulnerable to quack doctors, such as Gershon's Coffee Enemas; and an industry rose up surrounding him after his death. Why has that industry not made any excavations looking for the Hall of Records? If they aren't going to do it then I'm not either.

 

[OceanSoul]

I don't believe the Egyptians got their knowledge from aliens or through some mystical means. I think they were innovative and came up with technology they needed to make the pyramids. While it is fun to speculate about advanced knowledge and secrets being exchanged between humans and some extraterrestrial beings, I think it is presumptuous to assume the Egyptians couldn't nor managed to develop the means to create the amazing structures they did on their own.

I love studying history and ancient Egypt is fascinating as a subject, they show what human intelligence as well as ingenuity can accomplish (aside from the last few hundred years of invention and technology), IMO.

 

[GoodbyeDave]

It's perfectly easy to build large stone structures with sufficient manpower and determination: think of Stonehenge. Modern claims that they had some special powers ("Use the force, Cheops!") are on a par with extremist Hindu claims that the ancient Indians had aeroplanes.

The idea that they were built as burial places I find debatable. The presence of a burial is irrelevant: there are tombs in churches, after all.

 

[OceanSoul]

I don't think there is a consensus over the reason Stonehenge was created. I thought it was for a religious purpose, but that doesn't seem to be a credible position to hold anymore. Who knows :shruggs:

Stonehenge has a lot of mystique about it, it might be that the buried remains belong to people who visited the monument then there are the animal remains too.

 

[Aštra’el]

While I am fascinated with what spiritual-religious purpose the Great Pyramid may have had with its people, I think it is interesting to consider what scientific or technological purposes the Great pyramid might have served, and what mysteries might be hidden within, around or beneath it.

 

[Rakovsky]

יעקב Yakob

Since you are Jewish, I'll mention that out of the ancient religions dated as recently as 1200 BC, I like Chinese and Israelite religion the best.
Indus/Hinduism, Egyptian, Greek, and Sumerian religions have a problem for me in that they think of many gods each with their own mythology and personal history. In that scheme, the gods talk to each other like people, they have biographies, and idols. The faithful think that the gods are in the statues and they feed and wash them accordingly. On top of that, the gods sometimes look like half-animals. I know Egyptians had NTR and Hindus have Bhagwan, but it seems they don't get major focus by themselves. Commonly for example Hindus will say Krishna is Bhagwan or speak of "Lord" Krishna, instead of just talking about Bhagwan Himself different from Krishna.

Chinese religion didn't really coalesce - it was a mix of ancestor worship and folk religion that sometimes talked about spirits or gods that didn't seem to get a lot of attention like the "earth god". The Supreme God /Shang Di/Tien is clearly in a different category and gets the highest worship. But the downside is that due to the emperor being the only worshiper directly, Shang Di's following seemed to peter out over time. There is not really the same literature and breadth that we find with the Torah.

With the Torah you have many prayers and a concept of God as the ultimate one who doesn't get statutes/idols and you aren't faced with many gods for worship that I don't think are real separate gods. I better conceive of Wisdom as a spirit like Judaism says than as a god like Greek and Egyptian religion would say. But the downside is that a major premise in Torah is that God arrived in humanoid form and met Moses and the elders on Mt Sinai and gave them an extensive ritual law they must follow or else He attacks them. It seems to me unlikely, maybe more unlikely than the extreme claims in Christianity about miracles. And then there are the social/political implications of Torah. A communal social contract is formed on a religious basis, so that if your relatives are part of the social contract or you join its religion, then various political implications follow for the Middle East or your relations with others outside of the social contract follow. I am not generalizing, I know some follow only Judaism, not Zionism.

In any case, I think Chinese and Israelite religion are the best theologically from that time period.

 

[Revoltingest]

This very early photograph found in the tomb of King Rootintootin shows how they did it.....

 

[Onyx]

2. May one prove that the pyramids were built other than as a simple burial place?

To sharpen razor blades, the proof is in the extra close-shave.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think it was just determination and a lot of sweat.

I agree. I do think as well that it's plausable they had developed ingenious techniques that were lost to history.

 

[Twilight Hue]

This very early photograph found in the tomb of King Rootintootin shows how they did it.....

We want our mummy!

 

[RRex]

The Egyptians didn't build the pyramids. An advanced civilization prior to theirs did.

The age of the Sphinx alone is estimated at 10,000+ BC, and its original head was probably a lion.