Do you think that Jesus is Deific?

[Desert Snake]

An idea from another thread; simply, do you think that Jesus is Deific?
It might help to state your denomination as well, or status of Xian adherence.
This question is geared towards ''Xians'', in the broad definition.

 

[Shiranui117]

"God became man so that man might become god." -St. Athanasius of Alexandria

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Is this just another way of asking if Jesus is God?

 

[JayJayDee]

Is Jesus Christ a deity? No, not in the sense that his Father is a deity. But is Jesus a "god" in the Greek definition of the word used in the Christian scriptures....the answer is YES!

When the word "god" (theos) is used in the Greek, it is simply a title used for "a mighty one"... Someone with power or authority over others. As the son of God, there can be no doubt that Jesus was and is a "mighty one" with great authority. But it is an authority given to him by his Father. (Matt 28:19) And since "THE God" (Yahweh) was not named in the Greek scriptures, the title "god" (theos) had to have the definite article (the) to differentiate him for other "mighty ones" mentioned. (Such as his son)
Hence John 1:1 calls the Word "theos" (god) but calls the Father "ho theos" (THE God) There are two mighty ones spoken about in that verse....only one of them is THE God, Yahweh.

 

[atpollard]

Colossians 1:

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.​

The "image of the invisible God" and "all his (God's) fullness dwell(ing) in him (Jesus)".
It seems pretty clear to me ... if he looks exactly like God and all of God is inside him ... then Jesus is God.

 

[Shiranui117]

Is this just another way of asking if Jesus is God?

Actually, I looked up "deific" in the dictionary because I wondered the same thing. "Deific" actually means something which deifies (makes divine/God-like) others. So pretty much, the OP's question is "Does Jesus deify us/make us like God/make us gods?"

 

[JayJayDee]

Colossians 1:

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.​

The "image of the invisible God" and "all his (God's) fullness dwell(ing) in him (Jesus)".
It seems pretty clear to me ... if he looks exactly like God and all of God is inside him ... then Jesus is God.

Taking this scripture in context....

Colossians 1:15-20..."He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him. And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in everything he might be preeminent. For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross." (ESV)

What do you see there? Being the image of his Father doesn't make him the Father. An image is a reflection. He is a perfect reflection of his God.

He is the "firstborn" (monogenes), meaning that he is the first son produced in his Father's family. The word "monogenes" is used in scripture for the firstborn of both humans and animals. When we couple that with his other designation "only begotten son", we can appreciate that this son is unique....the only one of his kind. No other son was a direct creation of Yahweh. All other beings came into existence through the agency of the son, working at his Father's side in creation. (Prov 8:22, 30, 31)

"He is the beginning".......as an eternal being, God had no beginning. So this confirms that Jesus as the son of God, was created.

He is also "firstborn from the dead"....meaning what? He was not the first person to be resurrected, was he? But he was the first one raised "in the spirit".....returning to the "form" that he had before coming to the earth as a human. Who raised Jesus from the dead? God did. Jesus did not raise himself. He didn't pray to himself either.

What is the "fullness of God"...that was to dwell in the Christ? The outworking of God's purpose in Jesus' role as Messiah, was made complete in Jesus.

John 1:18 also confirms that "No man has seen God at any time; the only-begotten god who is at the Father’s side is the one who has explained Him."

No man has ever seen God....yet many saw Jesus.

And again, Jesus is called a god (theos).....a "begotten" one. Did someone beget God? Or did God beget Jesus?

 

[atpollard]

What is the "fullness of God"...that was to dwell in the Christ? The outworking of God's purpose in Jesus' role as Messiah, was made complete in Jesus.

The outworking of God's purpose is not the "fullness of God", nor can it really dwell in someone.

I prefer to believe that scripture actually meant the "fullness of God" when it said the "fullness of God", so we will need to agree to disagree.

 

[JayJayDee]

The outworking of God's purpose is not the "fullness of God", nor can it really dwell in someone.

What is the "fullness of God"? Can anyone point blank claim that this is proof of a trinity? It is speaking about Christ, not a threesome. Did God fully dwell in Christ any more than he dwelt in the apostles by means of his holy spirit?

You are reading things into this scripture that are not there.

I prefer to believe that scripture actually meant the "fullness of God" when it said the "fullness of God", so we will need to agree to disagree.

You aren't disagreeing with me....you are disagreeing with God's word, long corrupted by the church to support a false doctrine.

Read this scripture in context and then go back to my previous posts to see that there is more evidence from scripture to prove that the trinity is false than there is to read it into the ambiguous words of selected scriptures.

Colossians 1:17-20....."And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, in order that he might be preeminent in everything. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile all things to himself, whether on earth or in heaven, by making peace through his blood shed on the cross." (Mounce Interlinear)

Read the words and see.....this is in no way a proof of any trinity. The holy spirit is not even mentioned.
It was God who was pleased to have his purpose in connection with his anointed king, come to completion through his successful course. God is the one reconciling all mankind, alienated by Adam's sin, to himself. The peace he desires with humans is made possible through the blood of the Christ. The Father is the main character in this scenario....Jesus is the facilitator of the Father's purpose....reconciliation.

This scripture does not say what you think it does. Disagree if you wish...it changes nothing.

 

[Johnlove]

You are another person who proves that trying learn to know God with human intellect is nothing but foolish.


Such a person as you seem to be, is just impossible for him or her to ever come to the truth.


The only way one can come to the truth about God is to let God teach you.


Jesus personally told me he is God, and I believe him.


In the forty years that Jesus has been personally teaching me he has over and over again showed me himself, and has had me witness his power.


Do you know that Christianity is not only word but power?

 

[jeager106]

Jesus personally told me he is God, and I believe him.

In the forty years that Jesus has been personally teaching me he has over and over again showed me himself, and has had me witness his power.

John that was an incredably interesting post you made.
Could you, would you mind please, explaining what you mean by the above sentences?
Do you mean to say Jesus appeared to you as Jesus Himself?
If Jesus appeared to me I would believe Him also.
That is an incredable story. Please elaborate.

 

[atpollard]

What is the "fullness of God"? Can anyone point blank claim that this is proof of a trinity? It is speaking about Christ, not a threesome. Did God fully dwell in Christ any more than he dwelt in the apostles by means of his holy spirit?

You are reading things into this scripture that are not there.



You aren't disagreeing with me....you are disagreeing with God's word, long corrupted by the church to support a false doctrine.

Read this scripture in context and then go back to my previous posts to see that there is more evidence from scripture to prove that the trinity is false than there is to read it into the ambiguous words of selected scriptures.

Colossians 1:17-20....."And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, in order that he might be preeminent in everything. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile all things to himself, whether on earth or in heaven, by making peace through his blood shed on the cross." (Mounce Interlinear)

Read the words and see.....this is in no way a proof of any trinity. The holy spirit is not even mentioned.
It was God who was pleased to have his purpose in connection with his anointed king, come to completion through his successful course. God is the one reconciling all mankind, alienated by Adam's sin, to himself. The peace he desires with humans is made possible through the blood of the Christ. The Father is the main character in this scenario....Jesus is the facilitator of the Father's purpose....reconciliation.

This scripture does not say what you think it does. Disagree if you wish...it changes nothing.

"Image" does not mean "reflection" and "Fullness" does not mean "purpose".
You can protest all you want, but it is not I who redefines words to change the meaning of scripture.

 

[Johnlove]

After accepting Jesus call forty years ago, Jesus gave me seven vision of him showing me my walk with him.


Then over the years Jesus would come into my residence, but I would only feel his presence, and hear him.


Then after my wife died and I was given a huge cottage on the ocean beach to stay in for a week. The family all came together to comfort each other for their loss.


During this time as I was watching my children getting a meal ready, I was looking at the splendor of cottage. It was so big that it had a movie room with a full screen, leather reclining seats. Thirteen bed rooms, a bath in every bed room, and much more.


Then Jesus appeared to me. He did not walk in to the room, he appeared to me up above me, and all I saw was his face. Jesus told me then that he had a place for me that was much greater than the cottage.


The next time that Jesus showed himself to me was when I realized that the severe pain I was experiencing in my ankle was caused by Satan.


I did not understand why Jesus would let Satan do what he was doing to me. While I was begging Jesus to have Satan stop he appeared to me for just a short time, and he was laying on my bed. Jesus told me that to have Satan stop I would need to pray a lot.


I never prayed so long or so hard in my life.


Out of that experience Jesus reviled much to me about how much control Satan has in this world.


Even if one has the indwelling of God, Satan can physically hurt him or her, and can continue to do so until he sees it will not do him any good.


Apostle Paul found that out with his pain, and when Satan stopped him from going where he wanted to go.