Does any supernatural god exist?

[Tinkerpeach]

Even if I grant you that God exists, it doesn't help, because you are only argueing for a creator God. That is not the same as a giver of morality. So it is not certain that the God you believe in for morality is that same as the God that might exists.
That is as close as I can get. I can accept that there might be a creator God, but I have never seen objective evidence for morality.

Morality doesn’t apply to God.

Using my ants again because I like ants I will ask if you are morally wrong to kill tens of thousands of ants by spraying them because they dared build a home in your backyard?

Most people would say no because they are just ants and not on our level. Now imagine you actually created those ants and told them not to build in your backyard but they still did.

Well that would be double the reason to spray them with Raid but still not morally wrong on your part.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Because people aren’t Gods and don’t have that power but God does.

An ant can never build an airplane but does that mean airplanes can’t exist?

The difference is we already know what ants are and who makes airplanes.

It's why deficits in standards of believability should be addressed.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Morality doesn’t apply to God.

Using my ants again because I like ants I will ask if you are morally wrong to kill tens of thousands of ants by spraying them because they dared build a home in your backyard?

Most people would say no because they are just ants and not on our level. Now imagine you actually created those ants and told them not to build in your backyard but they still did.

Well that would be double the reason to spray them with Raid but still not morally wrong on your part.

So there is no morality as such? Is that it?

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Yes, it says that he himself did it with the money he had gotten in Acts. In Matthew, it said that he threw away the money and the priests did it instead

Just to be clear, in one version he keeps the money and uses it himself. In the other he throws the money away and the priests use it themselves. Both of those statements cannot be true. Either one is true, or none is true

When you buy a house do you actually bring a bag of cash to the homeowner or are there third parties involved that facilitate that purchase for you?

 

[Tinkerpeach]

The difference is we already know what ants are and who makes airplanes.

It's why deficits in standards of believability should be addressed.

Same thing.

We know who humans are and what abilities they possess and turning staffs into snakes is not one of them.

God does possess that ability though.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Same thing.

We know who humans are and what abilities they possess and turning staffs into snakes is not one of them.

God does possess that ability though.

No the only thing that we know about God is that it's something that comes from the human mind and Imagination which is where God dwells.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Same thing.

We know who humans are and what abilities they possess and turning staffs into snakes is not one of them.

God does possess that ability though.

But that doesn't matter as there is no good or bad, right?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

No the only thing that we know about God is that it's something that comes from the human mind and Imagination which is where God dwells.

We don't know that. You believe that, but you have no evidence for it.

 

[Soandso]

When you buy a house do you actually bring a bag of cash to the homeowner or are there third parties involved that facilitate that purchase for you?

The Bible doesn't describe what you are suggesting at all. Throwing money away and hanging yourself isn't how you buy property. You're utilizing mental gymnastics to make sense of a contradiction that's irreconcilable

 

[Nakosis]

That is magical thinking because you believe a defintion of a word determines objective reality.

What definition should I believe?

 

[Tinkerpeach]

The Bible doesn't describe what you are suggesting at all. Throwing money away and hanging yourself isn't how you buy property. You're utilizing mental gymnastics to make sense of a contradiction that's irreconcilable

No it’s you who are glossing over context like how that part of the world operated back then, how the meanings of words are different in other languages and having only a small recording of the event.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

What definition should I believe?

Maybe you should suspend beliefs and admit you don't know what the world/the universe/reality/everything is and you don't need to know it to have a life.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

But that doesn't matter as there is no good or bad, right?

Sure their is for humans.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

No the only thing that we know about God is that it's something that comes from the human mind and Imagination which is where God dwells.

Ok

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Sure their is for humans.

Can you rephrase that, please. English is not my first language.

 

[Nakosis]

Maybe you should suspend beliefs and admit you don't know what the world/the universe/reality/everything is and you don't need to know it to have a life.

I probably could now but before I had to justify the allocation of effort and resources.
If you have no responsibilities, then sure, you can go about La La land. That works only in so far as you can isolate yourself from reality.
Survival requires an minimal acceptance of reality. Simple existence perhaps even less.

However, one's ability to deal effectively with reality depends greatly on their acceptance of that reality.
If you don't care about that then there is no reason it should be important to you.

 

[Soandso]

No it’s you who are glossing over context like how that part of the world operated back then, how the meanings of words are different in other languages and having only a small recording of the event.

There is no context in which the excuses you've proposed make sense - like technically Judas bought the land because he used the priests as a third party to buy the land for him when he threw the money away? Do you not see what mental gymnastics that requires?

In one version Judas possesses the money and he uses it. In the other he casts the money away and the priests then possess the money and they use it. It's unmistakably clear. Both of those things cannot be true

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I probably could now but before I had to justify the allocation of effort and resources.
If you have no responsibilities, then sure, you can go about La La land. That works only in so far as you can isolate yourself from reality.
Survival requires an minimal acceptance of reality. Simple existence perhaps even less.

However, one's ability to deal effectively with reality depends greatly on their acceptance of that reality.
If you don't care about that then there is no reason it should be important to you.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean that reality is only physical, material, natural and/or objective. And it doesn't mean you have to know what reality is. It only means it has to work for you.

 

[Nakosis]

Yeah, but that doesn't mean that reality is only physical, material, natural and/or objective.

Never said it was. Only the part that would be relevant to human existence.

And it doesn't mean you have to know what reality is. It only means it has to work for you.

Or I would say you have to be able to work with it. So anything supernatural you would not be able to work with.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Never said it was. Only the part that would be relevant to human existence.



Or I would say you have to be able to work with it. So anything supernatural you would not be able to work with.

Problem is that relevance is not physical, material, natural and/or objective and you have no evidence for it as it has no measureable effect as per your standard of evidence.
That is your trick in short. Your demand for evidence as for the demand itself is without evidence.