Does any supernatural god exist?

[Ben Dhyan]

I've seen threads of...
Theists: Does God Exist?
Atheist: Does God Exist?

IMO That refers to one certain God

So painting with a broader brush, does any supernatural god exist?

It is impossible to live or to die without God, but it is not impossible to think that you are.

If you think that you are living or dying without God, you will experience that you are.

You may have this experience as long as you wish. You may end this experience whenever you choose.

HOME WITH GOD - Neale Donald Walsch

 

[Tomef]

I've seen threads of...
Theists: Does God Exist?
Atheist: Does God Exist?

IMO That refers to one certain God

So painting with a broader brush, does any supernatural god exist?

Supernatural T-shirts and other gear are pretty good quality. Not sure if they have a god factory, tho.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Unbelievers worship nature instead of the One who created nature.

Ah - I get it: you're so deep into your own worldview that you can't relate to others except through your own paradigm, even though it doesn't fit.

Created things prove that a creator created them, unless you can empty yourself of all common sense and embrace the sad pseudo science theory that "everything came from nothing", that defies logic

What does that have to do with anything? Is there some rule that says "creators" can't be part of nature?

 

[McBell]

Supernatural T-shirts and other gear are pretty good quality. Not sure if they have a god factory, tho.

Got Salt?

 

[ChristineM]

I've seen threads of...
Theists: Does God Exist?
Atheist: Does God Exist?

IMO That refers to one certain God

So painting with a broader brush, does any supernatural god exist?

Quick answer.
No.

Longer version.
Excluding the millions of Hindu gods there has been around 4800 god ideas worshiped through recorded history, 3600 (ish) of them were claimed as creator gods... Im not quite sure how that can work and as far as i am aware there is no falsifiable evidence for any of them.

If any gods exist then I'd like to see valid, falsifiable evidence of said god(s) then after asken them some very searching questions, depending on the answers i may change my mind.

 

[Charles Philips]

Ah - I get it: you're so deep into your own worldview that you can't relate to others except through your own paradigm, even though it doesn't fit.


What does that have to do with anything? Is there some rule that says "creators" can't be part of nature?

Yes there is, the rule is God controls every atom in the universe, even though He is separate to His creation He is intimately involved with every facet of of His creation

 

[Tomef]

Got Salt?

Got some salt of the Earth.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Yes there is,

Wild.

I've created things. I'm sure you've created things, too. Are we not part of nature?

Last week, a bird created a nest in the tree by my porch. I guess that bird isn't part of nature either, right?

the rule is God controls every atom in the universe, even though He is separate to His creation He is intimately involved with every facet of of His creation

That touches on another way to determine what's natural: things that interact with other natural things are natural themselves.

... so you've given us another reason to consider your God natural and not supernatural.

 

[Charles Philips]

Wild.

I've created things. I'm sure you've created things, too. Are we not part of nature?

Last week, a bird created a nest in the tree by my porch. I guess that bird isn't part of nature either, right?



That touches on another way to determine what's natural: things that interact with other natural things are natural themselves.

... so you've given us another reason to consider your God natural and not supernatural.

We can create nothing, zilch, nada. All we can do is manipulate mud to make a mud pie but you can't create a single speck of dust my man

 

[McBell]

We can create nothing, zilch, nada.

I have already shown that the dictionary does not agree with your claim here.
Thus meaning unless you can support your claim it will be dismissed

 

[Soandso]

Ehhh... I selected "certainly don't know", but to expand on that I'd say "but I suspect not." Every god claim out there seems man made, and while it's possible that a "supernatural" being out there exists, I don't find it very probable as the word "supernatural" itself describes something that cannot be seen or studied naturally. This puts it in the same realm as the imagination as it can't actually effect or impact the world we share and actually be studied

That's not to say that gods don't effect people in their lives, but they effect them in the same way as other superstition does, seems to me. The mind is a powerful thing, and the reality it constructs for itself can cause people to see, feel, and experience things that are truly extraordinary

This is what I've noticed for myself back when I was super spiritual. I've had similar experiences whether the god be Yahweh, Ahura Mazda, or Thor. Totally different gods that have made me see, feel, and experience unexplainable things while communing with and reaching out to them. They all share one thing in common though - the theatre of my own mind

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

We can create nothing, zilch, nada. All we can do is manipulate mud to make a mud pie but you can't create a single speck of dust my man

I'm not your man.

Sounds like you have your own special definition of "creator." In any case, the God you describe is still natural:

- the natural world is inferred from observation and evidence for what exists. You say that observation and evidence tells us your God exists, making your God natural.

- things that interact with the natural world are natural themselves. You say that your God interacts with the natural world, making your God natural.

... of course, this all involves taking what you say as granted, which is a stretch, but useful for the sake of discussion.

 

[Charles Philips]

I'm not your man.

Sounds like you have your own special definition of "creator." In any case, the God you describe is still natural:

- the natural world is inferred from observation and evidence for what exists. You say that observation and evidence tells us your God exists, making your God natural.

- things that interact with the natural world are natural themselves. You say that your God interacts with the natural world, making your God natural.

... of course, this all involves taking what you say as granted, which is a stretch, but useful for the sake of discussion.

You don't get to call the shots on what God can do and what He can't. Nobody has the right to presume anything about God, He has revealed what He wants us to know and the rest is hidden from mankind. There's no use in pretending to know things which are hidden from us

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You don't get to call the shots on what God can do and what He can't.

I'm not. I'm taking as given everything you're saying about God and pointing out what it implies.

Nobody has the right to presume anything about God,

Except you, right?

I'm presuming nothing but your claims.

He has revealed what He wants us to know and the rest is hidden from mankind. There's no use in pretending to know things which are hidden from us

Again: all I'm doing is assuming for the sake of discussion that what you're saying is correct.

If you don't like the implications of your claims, this is really a "you" problem.

 

[Charles Philips]

I'm not. I'm taking as given everything you're saying about God and pointing out what it implies.



Except you, right?

I'm presuming nothing but your claims.


Again: all I'm doing is assuming for the sake of discussion that what you're saying is correct.

If you don't like the implications of your claims, this is really a "you" problem.

No, you misunderstood my claims and you misapplied them. That's what were dealing with here

 

[SalixIncendium]

So painting with a broader brush, does any supernatural god exist?

Nope. Just the natural ones.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

No, you misunderstood my claims and you misapplied them. That's what were dealing with here

Your discomfort with the implications of what you're saying doesn't make those implications go away.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I've seen threads of...
Theists: Does God Exist?
Atheist: Does God Exist?

IMO That refers to one certain God

So painting with a broader brush, does any supernatural god exist?

My answer to your question is fairly simple: I don't know. To be honest, I'm not sure if deities exist because I've never seen conclusive evidence that has convinced me or felt the presence of one in my life, even when I was a Christian. I don't believe that there is sufficient evidence for the existence of the biblical God or any other deity, for that matter. I can't genuinely believe in the existence of gods because I haven't seen any kind of evidence that has convinced me of their existence. And while I practice Wicca and Druidry, I acknowledge that I lack empirical or alleged evidence that any deities exist.

Having said that, I think it's possible that they could exist while acknowledging that I can't prove or refute their existence. I've always been fascinated with spirituality and beliefs in the supernatural, but I'm not willing to state that I am fully confident, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the God of the Bible or any other deities actually exist. I'm not all-knowing and all-powerful, and I can't be in all places at once or explore all of space and time. I don't think that I can honestly establish whether there is only one God, if there are other deities, or if there aren't any deities at all. Therefore, I'm an agnostic, not an atheist.

 

[Pete in Panama]

I've seen threads of...
Theists: Does God Exist?
Atheist: Does God Exist?

IMO That refers to one certain God

So painting with a broader brush, does any supernatural god exist?

Reality is. Anyone who says reality does not exist is free to do so and proof/disproof is silly and irrelevant. Many who say God exists also say that God is manifest reality, that's not up for proof as it's simply a matter of definition/understanding.

There are some folks who insist that they've got they're own private reality and anyone else's is not right. Big world isn't it!

 

[Quintessence]

If the question can be asked, the answer is already yes.