Does any supernatural god exist?

[mikkel_the_dane]

Not to me and many other people.

The odds of humans even existing as we are today given everything that had to have aligned perfectly to make that happen are astronomical for it to just be a random event.

Although there is no way to prove that it’s enough for me. On top of that you have the entire writing of the Bible which happened over centuries by dozens of authors all making a seamless story is more verification for me.
And on top of that, seeing the way God has performed amazing things in my life which are too many to just be luck is even more proof for me.

Add all those together and there is absolutely no doubt in my mind. But hey if I’m wrong I end up just like you. If you’re wrong well……

Well, there could be a different god and you could end in a bad place and I could end up in a good place.
Stop playing that game as if you are the only who can do that.

 

[Soandso]

Or even more likely is that people are misinterpreting the passage.

Why is that more likely than the fact we are faced with a contradiction? We aren't talking about parables or stories that require cultural context; we are talking about matter of fact retelling of events. There's no lines to read between that. It is what it is

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Well, there could be a different god and you could end in a bad place and I could end up in a good place.
Stop playing that game as if you are the only who can do that.

Well played, in my opinion. I've noticed that some Christians will resort to Pascal's wager in a debate, but I think it's a weak argument and a cop-out.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well played, in my opinion. I've noticed that some Christians will resort to Pascal's wager in a debate, but I think it's a weak argument and a cop-out at times.

Well, the odds of that bet are unknown in effect. So they "cook the number one way". I just do it another way.

 

[Quester]

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Unbelievers worship nature instead of the One who created nature. Created things prove that a creator created them, unless you can empty yourself of all common sense and embrace the sad pseudo science theory that "everything came from nothing", that defies logic

My position in all this is neither "believer" or "unbeliever." As my user name states, I'm a quester, or in other words one who "goes in search, makes inquiries." No matter how you look at this picture, history shows where the error is.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Why is that more likely than the fact we are faced with a contradiction? We aren't talking about parables or stories that require cultural context; we are talking about matter of fact retelling of events. There's no lines to read between that. It is what it is

Well God created the universe so it would make sense that He could stop the sun also.

Kinda goes with the territory of being a God.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well God created the universe so it would make sense that He could stop the sun also.

Kinda goes with the territory of being a God.

Well, can God do a contradiction?

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Well, there could be a different god and you could end in a bad place and I could end up in a good place.
Stop playing that game as if you are the only who can do that.

Believe as you wish and good luck.

I hope it works out for you.

 

[shunyadragon]

I've seen threads of...
Theists: Does God Exist?
Atheist: Does God Exist?

IMO That refers to one certain God

So painting with a broader brush, does any supernatural god exist?

The problem remains that the many and I mean many diverse conflicting beliefs in God or Gods over the millennia of human existence that the subjective claims are problematic and remain very subjective.

My view is fairly simply IF God exists as the "Source" of all existence the "Source" some call Gods is more universal than any fallible belief of God from the perspective any on cultural view of God in human history. This view is rooted in a consistent view of how an omnipotent, all powerful and all knowing God would exist if God is truly God, and not a human creation to justify the unknowns and uncertainties of what the 'Source" must be fom any one perspective in human history.

 

[Ajax]

The odds of humans even existing as we are today given everything that had to have aligned perfectly to make that happen are astronomical for it to just be a random event.

That reminds me of the saying that God made our face, nose and ears so perfect...for our glasses to fit.

On top of that you have the entire writing of the Bible which happened over centuries by dozens of authors all making a seamless story is more verification for me.

That is exactly the point. Having too many authors over centuries, talking about God, but not fully agree with each other (Christians vs, Jews) makes it completely impossible for the whole Bible to be inerrant, no matter how hard one tries to harmonize it.

 

[MelancholicPotatoChip]

It is estimated that there are some 320 million gods, but there is only One Supernatural God who claims to have created everything that exists. We have documented records of the God who made the claim. We don't have any evidence to suggest that any of the others gods exist outside of our imagination.

I would certainly like to see this particular god and his records.

 

[Ajax]

Well God created the universe so it would make sense that He could stop the sun also.

No, it would make no sense. For the sun to stop moving in the sky, the Earth must stop spinning on its axis with horrendous results. If the sun stopped and the Earth continued spinning, we would have normal sunrise and sunset times without any apparent stoppage of the sun in the sky, but would have other catastrophic events.
Therefore either God didn't know what could happen in such a scenario, or more likely the authors wrote nonsense, without any help from God. Sorry, no other way.

I know you have full faith in the Bible, but try for a moment to think a little rationally. Why God would need to do millions of miracles endangering the whole universe and not just destroy with a word Joshua's enemies? Is it perhaps because the primitive author wanted to impress the ignorant masses?

 

[Soandso]

Well God created the universe so it would make sense that He could stop the sun also.

Kinda goes with the territory of being a God.

wait what? We were talking about the Judas contradiction

 

[McBell]

Death has no power over me, I already poses eternal life in paradise

Is that a yes or a no?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I have done my meditation and have realized this. No more search.

And having realized non-duality, you are asserting that many of those from the non-Vedic tradition who also realized this same non-dual state through their relevant cultural religious practice and whose language refers to this same non-dual state as God, or Tao or Nirvana, etc., have not because of the name they use to describe it. Now it is true that not all souls who claim or have imagined themselves to have realized non-duality have actually realized it, but that does not affect the name. It is called Non-duality, Enlightenment, God, Nirvana, Tao, etc., based on the different culture, check out the name for the Sun in these same different cultures and you will find also different names.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

wait what? We were talking about the Judas contradiction

Somebody brought up the sun and moon stopping.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

No, it would make no sense. For the sun to stop moving in the sky, the Earth must stop spinning on its axis with horrendous results. If the sun stopped and the Earth continued spinning, we would have normal sunrise and sunset times without any apparent stoppage of the sun in the sky, but would have other catastrophic events.
Therefore either God didn't know what could happen in such a scenario, or more likely the authors wrote nonsense, without any help from God. Sorry, no other way.

I know you have full faith in the Bible, but try for a moment to think a little rationally. Why God would need to do millions of miracles endangering the whole universe and not just destroy with a word Joshua's enemies? Is it perhaps because the primitive author wanted to impress the ignorant masses?

God can do anything.

We only know our physics not what is possible in God’s realm or wherever He exists.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

That reminds me of the saying that God made our face, nose and ears so perfect...for our glasses to fit.

That is exactly the point. Having too many authors over centuries, talking about God, but not fully agree with each other (Christians vs, Jews) makes it completely impossible for the whole Bible to be inerrant, no matter how hard one tries to harmonize it.

The Bible completely agrees with itself. The fact that people choose to interpret it differently isn’t the fault of the Bible.

The Bible tells us absolutely clearly what it takes to get into Heaven and if the Jews choose not to follow that then the consequences are also very clearly defined.

 

[Soandso]

Somebody brought up the sun and moon stopping.

Ah yes - you quoted us both if you look back at your other message. That might be where the confusion is coming from. I'll requote the messages so you can see where we are now

The Bible does not say they refused the money - you are making that up



The Bible does not say that they bought the land in judas' name at all - you are making that up as well

It seems you think the Bible is infallible, but I do think it's interesting that you keep grasping at straws outside of the Bible to try to solve these irreconcilable contradictions. Doesn't seem very likely that the Bible is infallible given how far outside of it you are reaching for the answers you want

This was the original quote above that you combined with another one about God stopping the sin in the sky. To both of our quotes you had one reply made below vvv

Or even more likely is that people are misinterpreting the passage.

This quote ^^^

Why is that more likely than the fact we are faced with a contradiction? We aren't talking about parables or stories that require cultural context; we are talking about matter of fact retelling of events. There's no lines to read between that. It is what it is

I thought you had the same reply for both of our points, so I responded with the above point that misinterpretation wasn't the issue with the contradiction, this is when you replied with the below statement

Well God created the universe so it would make sense that He could stop the sun also.

Kinda goes with the territory of being a God.

I think combining our two different responses into one reply might have confused you if I had to guess

 

[Bear Wild]

Well God created the universe so it would make sense that He could stop the sun also.

Kinda goes with the territory of being a God.

Yes, it is the same for the Dagda who held the sun for 9 months for the birth of Aengus. So at least two gods are able to stop the sun.