ChieftheCef
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"huh ha!" he said "Everyone will believe what I write because what I say makes sense and god exists in the fashion I present myself with."
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Does any supernatural god exist?
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Ajax
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No, it's not that simple.. Accepting slavery and giving instructions that people can treat them as property and beat them up is the error.
So you mean that we as humans can not have a moral judgement about God? In fact you say that people should throw out of window their morality and follow God orders about morality, right? Because you wrote that "what God believes is a correct statement".
If that is the case, and our morality is out of the window, how do you know and claim that God is moral????
The same applies to the authors of the Bible.
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Ajax
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The error is that god declared killing/murder an abomination, but he killed/murdered far more than two million people, because for example he changed his mind for creating people before the flood, despite being him who created them in this way and despite being presented as omniscient.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Are you sure? How about the two different years of birth of Jesus in the nativity myths? They vary by at least ten years. Or doesn't that count because they are clear myths?
ChieftheCef
Well-Known Member
Just saying slavery is actually wrong. Can't believe I had to say that.
The economics of it are just bunk. Slavery gives lots of money to a smaller number of people than freed slaves into the miasma of economics that with freed slaves and their cultures and their eventual found religions and other economic booms would give to more others and thus develope the common force of all things, the underlying principle, making the most of nothing, efficiency. Basically we get more benefit from no slaves, from less other comes greater boons.
This is because this is all Nature is doing. She is economizing. She is finding niches, jobs, for everything. For mutualism, she is creating and benefitting mutualism in nature sheerly by her nature of which is at 10-20%. For commensalism, she is finding benefit without harming anyone. 5-10%. They get away unscathed. And parasitism, where the other is detrimental is 30-40%. 20% are chemotorphs, those that live off chemicals. Most plants don't get eaten. Most plants eat poop and sunlight. They sometimes die, etc. She does all this because she has to, but doesn't benefit those who do not help others as much. Be a tree. Don't do it for yourself, do it for others.
And as you get more and more stable complexity you grow yourself more and more until you are as proud as Ancient Egypt.
The economics of it are just bunk. Slavery gives lots of money to a smaller number of people than freed slaves into the miasma of economics that with freed slaves and their cultures and their eventual found religions and other economic booms would give to more others and thus develope the common force of all things, the underlying principle, making the most of nothing, efficiency. Basically we get more benefit from no slaves, from less other comes greater boons.
This is because this is all Nature is doing. She is economizing. She is finding niches, jobs, for everything. For mutualism, she is creating and benefitting mutualism in nature sheerly by her nature of which is at 10-20%. For commensalism, she is finding benefit without harming anyone. 5-10%. They get away unscathed. And parasitism, where the other is detrimental is 30-40%. 20% are chemotorphs, those that live off chemicals. Most plants don't get eaten. Most plants eat poop and sunlight. They sometimes die, etc. She does all this because she has to, but doesn't benefit those who do not help others as much. Be a tree. Don't do it for yourself, do it for others.
And as you get more and more stable complexity you grow yourself more and more until you are as proud as Ancient Egypt.
Ajax
Active Member
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The biggest error of the bible is its numerous unrealistic views that do not reflect the actual reality of how things really are.
Ajax
Active Member
They can not communicate with God either. They say that If you talk to God, you are praying; If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia.
Certainly far less than your God, when he killed all humans, including animals and plants for no reason whatsoever in the supposed flood, just because he changed his mind about what and how he created them, despite also being omniscient, thus knowing that people will become exactly the same again.
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PearlSeeker
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I read it as you wrote. This is exactly the point. If Bible is historically accurate you would burn it. Before you said it is accurate. So burn it.
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
Such as?
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
The Bible doesn’t begin with the Spirit of God hovering over a gently flowing stream (that is later) or a peaceful, calm sea (again, later). It begins with the Spirit of God hovering over a double image of water. Two words are used to describe this chaotic, pre-created sea: “the deep” (tehom) and “the waters” (mayim).Just to remind you you forgot to answer a few of my questions...
Mayim is just the plural form of the word for “water.” However, tehom will have a negative connotation almost every other time it appears in the Bible [see for yourself]. That is why it is sometimes translated in English as “the abyss.” The abyss is where the floodwaters come from in Genesis 7. It is where Job’s leviathan lives (Job 41). It is the place the Israelites fled through to escape the Egyptians (and then the place where the Egyptians were drowned when they tried to follow (Exodus 15). It is the waters of the grave that live beneath the earth (Psalm 71).
So the “primeval sea” is the uncreated state, the chaos that preceded God’s ordering of creation as described in Genesis 1. These are the waters of uncreation where no life can flourish, no meanings can take root, no order can take shape. It is the opposite of the good place God is about to bring about as the first chapter of Genesis unfolds.
God is never depicted doing things unilaterally. It was the Israelites who couldn't fight against chariots of iron, not God. Why couldn't they? Because they got scared and didn't trust that God would empower them to do even this. The book of Joshua ends with the land not being fully conquered in spite of God's commandment, and therefore the remaining nations serving as a thorn in Israel's side from then on. God's promise not being entirely fulfilled due to the unfaithfulness of Israel rather than because of God being weak is a theme throughout the whole Bible... This is the point behind the blessing and the curse in the Law.
Anything else?
McBell
Unbound
More bravado
McBell
Unbound
The problem here is that they will claim that we mere mortal humans cannot hold God to his own declared morality because ....something.
This is simply because if we were to hold God to his declared moral system, he would epically fail.
And since God is perfectly perfect, he can not be wrong.
Which makes it a rather interesting conundrum for them when the slavery issue is brought up.
ChieftheCef
Well-Known Member
Masturbation is bad. Masturbation relieves stress, which kills, and is healthy if you're not sydromed.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
There are quite a few creator gods.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
You have got to be kidding.
There's no actual history apart from some names and locations.
There are no known authors.
The mythological stories about talking snakes, magical fruit, talking donkeys, wooden ships holding the entire world's animal population, raising the dead, people who live several centuries old , blowing down walls with horns, keeping the sun still by raising one's arms, furnaces that don't burn people inside a fire, floating swords, throwing down rods that turns into snakes, magical mana from heaven, long magical hair that gives superhuman strength, turning water into wine, feeding a mass crowd with a few fish, magically walking on water..... need I continue?
Not in real life nor real history. That's for sure.
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
The Bible doesn’t begin with the Spirit of God hovering over a gently flowing stream (that is later) or a peaceful, calm sea (again, later). It begins with the Spirit of God hovering over a double image of water. Two words are used to describe this chaotic, pre-created sea: “the deep” (tehom) and “the waters” (mayim).Just to remind you you forgot to answer a few of my questions...
Mayim is just the plural form of the word for “water.” However, tehom will have a negative connotation almost every other time it appears in the Bible [see for yourself]. That is why it is sometimes translated in English as “the abyss.” The abyss is where the floodwaters come from in Genesis 7. It is where Job’s leviathan lives (Job 41). It is the place the Israelites fled through to escape the Egyptians (and then the place where the Egyptians were drowned when they tried to follow (Exodus 15). It is the waters of the grave that live beneath the earth (Psalm 71).
So the “primeval sea” is the uncreated state, the chaos that preceded God’s ordering of creation as described in Genesis 1. These are the waters of uncreation where no life can flourish, no meanings can take root, no order can take shape. It is the opposite of the good place God is about to bring about as the first chapter of Genesis unfolds.
God is never depicted doing things unilaterally. It was the Israelites who couldn't fight against chariots of iron, not God. Why couldn't they? Because they got scared and didn't trust that God would empower them to do even this. The book of Joshua ends with the land not being fully conquered in spite of God's commandment, and therefore the remaining nations serving as a thorn in Israel's side from then on. God's promise not being entirely fulfilled due to the unfaithfulness of Israel rather than because of God being weak is a theme throughout the whole Bible... This is the point behind the blessing and the curse in the Law.
Anything else?
Thats probably why they are called miracles and only something God can do.
If God only had the ability to do what we can then He wouldn’t be a God.
So again, not errors.
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
Masterbation is not mentioned in the Bible however lust is.
I don’t think many people masterbate without lustful thoughts.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The error is people thinking these things actually happened in real life.