Does any supernatural god exist?

[Muffled]

IMO, "supernatural" is an impossible category. It can't apply to anything that actually exists, so anything labeled "supernatural" either is mislabelled or not real.

A dam on a river is supernatural because it blocks the natural course of the river. It does however have a natural explanation for its existence. Probably all of the supernatural events have a natural explanation.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Is this a site only for those who want to believe? From what I gather from the poll (on the top of the page) 72% of the people writting, are either atheists or agnostics.
To make someone believe you and other theists must provide sufficient and valid arguments. Unfortunately you fail dramatically when you enter a discussion claiming that there no errors whatsoever in the Bible and/or you present apologetic trash.
I have a lot of interests and hobbies but in any case, I will try to get your permission first, next time I want to write a message...

In my opinion, the atheists and pagans on this forum (with whom I interact or just read their posts) make my experience on RF enjoyable and bearable.

 

[Aupmanyav]

So painting with a broader brush, does any supernatural god exist?

I do not believe that existence of any God is a possibility, but 'physical energy' acts is ways that we do not understand till now. You may term it as 'supernatural'. For example, the appearance and disappearance of virtual particles and the change of virtual particles into real particles and vice-versa (particles, since not going into further details)

 

[Aupmanyav]

It is impossible to live or to die without God, ..

Birth, life and death are illusions according to non-dual Hinduism (Advaita) and Buddhism. But taking a pragmatic approach, I am living without a God and will die without a God.

 

[Aupmanyav]

A dam on a river is supernatural because it blocks the natural course of the river. It does however have a natural explanation for its existence. Probably all of the supernatural events have a natural explanation.

When land slides dam the rivers and create lakes, dams; then it is a natural process.

 

[Soandso]

A dam on a river is supernatural because it blocks the natural course of the river. It does however have a natural explanation for its existence. Probably all of the supernatural events have a natural explanation.

Hmmm... Are you suggesting that anything that diverts or alters the natural occurrences in the world is supernatural? Does that make humans or beavers themselves supernatural, or are the things they create supernatural?

 

[Twilight Hue]

What qualification do you have to make such a senseless statement. Let me guess, you're a self appointed bible scholar, yep got ya

The qualifications lay with real history and the ancient Greek and Roman pantheon of God's, demigods, and goddesses.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You must be joking

"On the day the LORD gave the Amorites over to Israel, Joshua said to the LORD in the presence of Israel: "O sun, stand still over Gibeon, O moon, over the Valley of Aijalon." So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies"

Even if the sun and the moon stood still, would make no difference to their viewing position from earth, because of earth's rotation.

Aristarchus of Samos (310 – c. 230 BC) was an ancient Greek astronomer and mathematician who presented the first known heliocentric model that placed the Sun at the center of the universe, with the Earth revolving around the Sun once a year and rotating about its axis once a day. But the ignorant primitive authors who wrote the Bible, had their own crazy ideas.

You should read if that hypothetically happened, from a scientific viewpoint, what it would do to people and the planet!

 

[Ajax]

I don't know about you, but I actually see the sun and moon moving but I don't see or feel the earth spinning or orbiting, so was the bible correct from, did the Israelites see the sun and moon stop moving???? + Answer is a BIG FAT YES, so the bible is right and you are wrong.

One by one...
1) Didn't God explain to the Israelites that the earth is moving, orbiting, is not flat (disk) and does not have four corners? Perhaps he didn't, because the firmament covering the whole earth (Genesis 1) wouldn't work in this case...
2) Can the sun, moon and earth stand still without orbiting around each other and also rotating about their axis as told in Joshua 10 for a whole day? No they couldn't, because that could create havoc in the universe. In case of Earth, it rotates at about 1000 miles an hour (at Equator) and any sudden stoppage would throw everything up in the air and kill us all, let alone other huge disasters.

You could easily find out these things before writing, but then again knowing how ignorant the authors of the Bible thought that God was, would create doubts in your faith, wouldn't it?

Did the Israelites see the the sun and the moon stop until the battle was won? No way, so the Bible contains nonsense.

 

[Ajax]

You should read if that hypothetically happened, from a scientific viewpoint, what it would do to people and the planet!

I've just written that in the simplest form..

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe God does not mind mistakes and the moral errors are created by men not God.

Then you have never read the Bible. Tell me, is it immoral to sell your own daughter into slavery?

 

[Tinkerpeach]

If I hand money to a stranger and tell them I don't want the money, it is no longer my money. If the stranger takes the money and buys a watch with the money, it is not my watch; it's the stranger's watch because they accepted and used the money. This is how the concept of property works

5 So Judas threw the money into the temple and left. Then he went away and hanged himself.

6 The chief priests picked up the coins and said, “It is against the law to put this into the treasury, since it is blood money.” 7 So they decided to use the money to buy the potter’s field as a burial place for foreigners.

And on top of it, the other version of is that I just keep the money and buy myself a watch



It was no longer his money because he threw it away and left. The moment the priests took the money, it became theirs. As for your second sentence... What? You can't sell something to someone when they aren't even there to agree to a transaction they aren't even a part of



It says it was his money until he threw it. It does say the priests took and used the money; that would make the money their property



It really has not been consistent at all



Yes there is. Denying there aren't any outright without verifying or testing it and instead just looking for excuses for why it can't be an error makes it seem to me like you aren't interested in what's true



There are many contradictions in the Bible to choose from, but I feel it's important to stick with one at a time until they're resolved. I care about the truth, not about controversy. We can come back to the others later on

As for judas' death, I do think it's kind of funny to imagine he would hang himself on the furthest branch from a tree at the edge of a cliff until he rots and then plummets into a gorey explosion on the ground below. I exaggerate, but combining the two different versions makes for interesting speculation

The priests never accepted the money, they refused it. So instead what they did was essentially donate it for the plot of land in Judas’s name after he threw it on the floor.

 

[McBell]

A dam on a river is supernatural because it blocks the natural course of the river. It does however have a natural explanation for its existence.

A dam is 'super' natural?
What is it about a dam that makes it 'super' natural?
Now I can see it being 'un' natural, but 'super'?

Probably all of the supernatural events have a natural explanation.

Please give an example of a supernatural even.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Wrong again. That's the enormous dishonesty of theists' apologetics. Trying to find irrelevant sayings, even poems like Psalm 109 which simply refers to people speaking words of hate and deceit and convert them to prophecies. David was not a prophet.

It’s what Acts says happened, it’s in the Bible word for word.

Acts 1:16-18 (NASB)

16 “Brethren, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit foretold by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus. 17 For he was counted among us and received his share in this ministry.” 18 (Now this man acquired a field with the price of his wickedness, and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his intestines gushed out.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Birth, life and death are illusions according to non-dual Hinduism (Advaita) and Buddhism. But taking a pragmatic approach, I am living without a God and will die without a God.

You believe that you are living without a God, that's the difference. Same for those who believe in God, they may change their belief sometime, but reality is what it is, it is not determined by belief.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

So people should just keep their mouths shut when they witness nonsense being peddled so freely - like the YEC stuff?

You aren’t witnessing it you are actively searching it out.

It’s not like you are in the grocery store just doing your business, you are coming to a religious forum where you know this will be discussed.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

So, if I give back the money I got from a bank, they will buy a house for me... Brilliant thinking! How come nobody thought about it before?

In order to buy a house you have to give your money to a bank as far as I know.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

Is this a site only for those who want to believe? From what I gather from the poll (on the top of the page) 72% of the people writting, are either atheists or agnostics.
To make someone believe you and other theists must provide sufficient and valid arguments. Unfortunately you fail dramatically when you enter a discussion claiming that there no errors whatsoever in the Bible and/or you present apologetic trash.
I have a lot of interests and hobbies but in any case, I will try to get your permission first, next time I want to write a message...

Nobody yet has pointed out an error that I haven’t easily explained.

 

[Soandso]

The priests never accepted the money, they refused it.

The Bible does not say they refused the money - you are making that up

So instead what they did was essentially donate it for the plot of land in Judas’s name after he threw it on the floor.

The Bible does not say that they bought the land in judas' name at all - you are making that up as well

It seems you think the Bible is infallible, but I do think it's interesting that you keep grasping at straws outside of the Bible to try to solve these irreconcilable contradictions. Doesn't seem very likely that the Bible is infallible given how far outside of it you are reaching for the answers you want

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

The Bible does not say they refused the money - you are making that up

The Bible does not say that they bought the land in judas' name at all - you are making that up as well.

Yes, Matthew 27:5–7 says the priests bought a potter's field for foreigners with the "blood money" Judas threw into the temple. However, there is not a specific detail in these verses that says the priests bought the field in Judas' name. But Acts 1:16–19 states that he bought the field with the thirty pieces of silver. Finally, according to Matthew, he hung himself, but in Acts, it says that he fell headlong, his body burst open, and all of his intestines spilled out.