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Does any supernatural god exist?

Does any supernatural god exist?

  • Certainly

    Votes: 14 34.1%
  • Certainly not

    Votes: 9 22.0%
  • Certainly don't know

    Votes: 18 43.9%

  • Total voters
    41

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
.. who know a reality where they do not need to believe in God because they understand that they and God are one.
That too is a belief only.
That is non-dual Hinduism (Advaita). But there is a difference. Advaita Hindus believe that only one entity (Brahman) constitutes all that exists in the universe; humans, animals, vegetation or non-living objects; but they do not make 'what exists' into a God.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
No it doesn't and you need wisdom to discern Gods Word and God only gives the gift of discernment to His Elect Saints.
This is another version of the story of 'Emperor's New Clothes'.
One can't see them unless one gets his nose cut.
Nearly 60 % of the earth's inhabitants believe in the God of Abraham as evidenced by numbers of people identifying with an Abrahamic religion, Judaism, Christianity, Islam or Baha'i.
As we were discussing, belief is not necessarily the reality. (bandwagon fallacy)
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Death has no power over me, I already poses eternal life in paradise
I too have eternal life, I am star dust, have been around for 13.75 billion years and likely to last longer than that - but not in any heaven.
The molecules of my body with mingle with a billion of things in their next avatara. I would sort of become omnipresent.
Born from the universe, will merge with the universe.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I too have eternal life, I am star dust, have been around for 13.75 billion years and likely to last longer than that - but not in any heaven.
The molecules of my body with mingle with a billion of things in their next avatara. I would sort of become omnipresent.
Born from the universe, will merge with the universe.

But you are already a part of the universe and not different from it.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
There is no objective reality as the only reality.
Perhaps you are correct. Perhaps reality has two phases, existent and non-existent, as mentioned in RigVeda.
"Sages who searched with their heart's thought discovered the existent's kinship in the non-existent."
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Perhaps you are correct. Perhaps reality has two phases, existent and non-existent, as mentioned in RigVeda.
"Sages who searched with their heart's thought discovered the existent's kinship in the non-existent."

Well, then you have to show that existence is objective. Good luck with that as you run into this text from my religion:
Meditations on First Philosophy, book by René Descartes. In effect the problem of the evil demon.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
That too is a belief only.
That is non-dual Hinduism (Advaita). But there is a difference. Advaita Hindus believe that only one entity (Brahman) constitutes all that exists in the universe; humans, animals, vegetation or non-living objects; but they do not make 'what exists' into a God.
Can't you see your claim that the reality represented by the concept of non-duality is non-realizable is only your belief. Now It is true that if that state has never been realized by you, you can not possibly know for sure whether it is realizable or not as yet, but to believe that such a state is unrealizable regardless, it will mean you will never try and thus never actually realize it.
 

Ajax

Active Member
So it could have been like this, Judas was given thirty pieces of silver for betraying Jesus which he later threw into the temple where the priests picked it up and went and bought the potter's field for foreigners with the "blood money", in Judas' name, where Judas then went and hung himself, but the rope broke and he fell headlong on the ground and his body burst open, and all of his intestines spilled out.
No that's made up from Augustine of Hippo, in an effort to combine the contradiction. Nowhere is mentioned that the rope broke.
 
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Ajax

Active Member
It’s what Acts says happened, it’s in the Bible word for word.

Acts 1:16-18 (NASB)

16 “Brethren, the Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit foretold by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus. 17 For he was counted among us and received his share in this ministry.” 18 (Now this man acquired a field with the price of his wickedness, and falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his intestines gushed out.
So what? Why is Acts (Paul and Luke) more knowledgeable than all the Jewish scholars who studied and claimed for centuries that David's Psalm is not a prophecy for anyone. We do know by his own admission that Paul is a liar.
Romans 3:7 "But if through my lie God’s truth abounds to his glory, iwhy am I still being condemned as a sinner? "
This fits perfectly as to why David was named a prophet in Acts.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Can't you see your claim that the reality represented by the concept of non-duality is non-realizable is only your belief. Now It is true that if that state has never been realized by you, you can not possibly know for sure whether it is realizable or not as yet, but to believe that such a state is unrealizable regardless, it will mean you will never try and thus never actually realize it.
Why not realizable - I am it. That is what you are. All this here is that. (Aham Brahmasmi, Tat twam asi, Sarvam khalu idam Brahma).
Nothing simpler than this to realize.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Yes, you are the only one who thinks so. Congratulate yourself...:laughing:

Well, to learn to understand how objective, intersubjective and individually subjective work in regards to humans and how it is relevant to oneself and not just everybody else doesn't necessarily come naturally. At least some people struggle with understanding when they are individually subjective and then it is about religion or not.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
You aren’t witnessing it you are actively searching it out.

It’s not like you are in the grocery store just doing your business, you are coming to a religious forum where you know this will be discussed.
Who is actively searching anything out - other than many simply looking at new comments and deciding whether to reply or not? There are just as many here who seem intent on proselytising their particular beliefs, so why would it be unusual for many who might disagree commenting in reply? Many of us here who have no religious beliefs are more likely to be here to learn why so many do have their own particular beliefs, and one can hardly expect those with such beliefs to get away with proselytising when much is simply nonsense - and where such is against the rules anyway.
 

Ajax

Active Member
Nobody yet has pointed out an error that I haven’t easily explained.
Jesus went to be baptized. John the Baptist said that he must be baptized by Jesus, because Jesus is the son of God. He further witnessed the Holy Spirit descending and heard the voice of God proclaiming Jesus as his beloved Son.

A few months later...

Luke 7:17-20 "And this report concerning him (rising of dead) spread through the whole of Judea and all the surrounding country.18 The disciples of John told him of all these things. 19 And John, calling to him two of his disciples, sent them to the Lord, saying, “Are you he who is to come, or shall we look for another?” 20 And when the men had come to him, they said, “John the Baptist has sent us to you, saying, ‘Are you he who is to come, or shall we look for another?’

Matthew 11:2-3 " Now when John heard in prison about the deeds of the Christ, he sent word by his disciples 3 and said to him, “Are you he who is to come, or shall we look for another?"

It's a huge joke :laughing::laughing:
 
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