Quester
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Well ... what you should do fro me and everyone, is ask for an explanation that would define the historical picture. I'm sure you could get a detailed picture.
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Does any supernatural god exist?
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Ajax
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In 2001, forensic anthropologist Richard Neave created a model of what a Galilean man looked like for a BBC documentary, working on the basis of actual skulls found in the region. Sorry to destroy your dreams, but Jesus would look similar to this.
MelancholicPotatoChip
Member
You never gave me a couple of examples that you personally believe as prophecies of the Bible that came true. Btw, your god loves playing hide and seek while the world burns.
Soandso
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White with blue eyes and blonde hair?.... Where in the Bible does it say this?!
MelancholicPotatoChip
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I believe one of Jehovah's Witnesses knocked on his door.
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
Works are evidence of salvation through Christ, not the means to salvation.It's not a matter of interpretation. The Bible describes how John the Baptist welcomed Jesus for the baptism, also all the "wonderful things" that happened with God's voice adopting Jesus and the Holy Spirit descending....but a few months later, John does not know who Jesus is and questions him, as if had never met him. Utterly ridiculous!
Absolutely false!! Getting to heaven is an unsolved puzzle in Christianity!
The Bible tells you a) you are saved by works, as per Jesus (Mat 5:17, 7-21) b) saved by faith alone, no works are needed (Rom 3:28, Eph 2:8-9) and c) by predestination (Rom 8:29, Eph 1:4, Acts 13:48, 1 Peter 1:2)
Furthermore, Jewish Torah had been studied for centuries by Jews before Christianity emerged and suddenly Christians believed that they can teach Jews what Torah is... Unbelievable!!
Christianity took irrelevant text from Torah and dishonestly converted it to prophecies for Jesus (see suffering servant, virgin birth, trip to Egypt, etc). Do you have any idea who the servant is? Do you know the Torah requirements for Messiah?
For instance, the thief on the cross next to Jesus accepted Him as the savior and was told he would go to Heaven even though he had no time to perform any works.
Unless you are dying right after acceptance you are expected to live a Christian lifestyle but you will never get to Heaven without accepting Christ no matter how long you study the Bible.
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
Over centuries with over 30 authors most of whom were unaware of what others had written?
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
It doesn't.
Isaiah 53:2
He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root
out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us
to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
I, too, would like to see the scriptures in the Bible describing Jesus as a white man with blue eyes and blonde hair.
But, honestly, I think we're dealing with a Poe rather than someone who truly believes what he's writing.
Ajax
Active Member
No, works are the means of salvation according to Jesus. Even if you believe he is the Lord and have faith in him you will not be saved without works.
Couldn't be written and evidenced better...
“Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers."
Do you believe the false apostle, or Jesus? Confusion runs high in Christianity.
Bear Wild
Well-Known Member
It was an oral tradition long before it was ever written down. As an oral tradition it would try to maintain the most important truths for that group of people in the form of myths. This would allow to shift and change the details over time to adapt to the changes in their society while trying to preserve the most important truths. Myths are truths about relationships in religion.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
It's called the Greek and Roman pantheon.
Rome’s Pantheon, a place of Christian worship for the past 1,400 years
The ancient pagan temple turned church is remarkably well preserved -- it boasts the oldest unsupported concrete dome in the world.
aleteia.org
Jesus is unquestionably among the pantheon as a demigod.
Ajax
Active Member
This story of the thief is very complicated, if ever happened. For a start whilst the two thieves appear in both Mark and Matthew (both mocking Jesus), only Luke claims that one said “Jesus, remember me when you come in your kingly power”. Are these words sufficient for salvation?
Secondly Jesus asked his Father to forgive those who tormented him and eventually killed him. Why didn't he ask his Father for the thief?
Thirdly and most importantly, the two thieves story was another embezzlement of irrelevant Jewish prophecy and particularly from Isaiah 53:12: "And he … was numbered with the transgressors" to show that Jesus was prophesied in the OT.
Unfortunately for them, Isaiah's "servant" is clearly stated that is Israel, not Jesus.
Isaiah 43:10-11 "10 You yourselves are my witnesses, declares Yahweh, and the servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that it is I. No god was formed before me, nor will be after me. 11 I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Saviour but me.
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Ajax
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I agree that the Bible doesn't say it, but Isaiah 53:2 does not refer to Jesus. The servant is Israel.
See Isaiah 41:8-9 and Isaiah 43:10-11 (note the plural).
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
I understand that this is your personal interpretation, and that's fine with me. Based on my extensive study of the Bible over many years, I have to disagree with you. However, I won't argue with you about it. You're free to believe whatever you want about the verse or about Jesus. It makes no difference to me.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
I agree, and here is why.
Romans 10:8–13 states that salvation awaits anyone who declares with their mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believes in their heart that God raised him from the dead. Furthermore, their belief in their hearts and their profession of faith in Jesus justify them, and they will not face shame. In fact, verse 13 plainly states, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Furthermore, Ephesians 2:8–9 states, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves; it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast." However, there is an apparent loophole in this seemingly hopeful divine promise, such as the stringent implication that a person could lose their salvation and face eternal condemnation if they do not follow God's will.
I'm referring to Matthew 7:21, which states, "Not everyone who says to me, "Lord, Lord," will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven," and the parable of the sheep and goats (Matthew 25:31–46). In this parable, Jesus rewarded the "sheep" with eternal life for their good deeds of feeding the hungry, quenching the thirst of the thirsty, welcoming a stranger, clothing the needy, and visiting the sick or those in prison. However, Jesus lambasted the "goats" for failing to feed the hungry, quench the thirst of the thirsty, welcome strangers, clothe the needy, or pay visits to the ill or people in prison. Jesus cursed them and sent them to eternal damnation. Despite being Christians who accepted Jesus as their lord and savior, the "goats" lacked the good works necessary for eternal life. In my opinion, Romans 10:8–13 presents another contradictory message in the Bible, asserting that salvation is contingent upon an individual's outward declaration of "Jesus is Lord" and their internal belief in God's resurrection of Jesus. Ephesians 2:8–9 also states, "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves; it is the gift of God—not by works, so that no one can boast." In my opinion, if someone gives you something as a gift but arbitrarily takes it away because you don't follow their rules, then it isn't a gift. I don't consider something a gift if the person who gave it to me can ruthlessly take it away if I don't obey them. It isn't a gift with strings attached.
I agree with you, and I believe that the diversity of churches among Christians, each with its own doctrines, dogmas, and biblical interpretations, clearly demonstrates this. They are deeply divided, with different churches subscribing to a variety of beliefs and readings of the Bible that have emerged in both historical and modern Christianity. Catholics and Protestants have different doctrines, dogmas, and interpretations of the Bible. So do Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Messianic Jews, and Orthodox Christians, which include Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Ethiopian Orthodox, and Greek Orthodox. There are also Baptists (First Baptist, Second Baptist, Southern Baptist, Reformed Baptist, Primitive Baptist, Anabaptist, Freewill Baptist, and others), Methodists, Mennonites, Seventh-day Adventists, Assemblies of God, Quakers, Anglicans, Nazarenes, and hundreds of other Protestant denominations not listed here.
Ajax
Active Member
I agree. That's fine with me too.
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
Well no point in discussing anything with you since your response is always “it was made up”.
Charles Philips
Banned
It's frustrating educating mature people about the basic facts of the Bible. first thing is, the Bible is all about Jesus Christ (who is the One true creator God). Secondly, He came into the world as fully man and fully God at the same time. His mission was to atone for the sins of His Elect, as a man. He didn't cheat His way out of feeling pain and sorrow and every other human thing.
So, you have been hoodwinked into believing there's more than one Jesus Christ.
It seems a weird waste of time to you that God, enjoys praise and worship. He is a jealous God, He doesn't tolerate those who don't put Him first in all things.
The last question doesn't make any sense, as there is no such thin as nothing
Charles Philips
Banned
See, what happens when you place your trust in pseudo science. You don't have any concept of spiritual things because the pseudo scientist hide it from their followers.
In order to grasp the spiritual realm, God must open your spiritual eyes first, then you will see. Until then it would be like trying to explain the color spectrum to a person who was born 100% blind.
Charles Philips
Banned
Moses is an Elect Saint of God, He is a brother of mine so it's no surprise God revealed Himself to him.
You're kind of repent, is being sorry when your busted shoplifting. God doesn't repent like that
The original Israelites are a pure white race, the Bible confirms in many places. So of 'course Jesus was a handsome blonde haired blue eyed man. The Middle Eastern Arabs and Egyptians are dark skinned people, not the Israelis. Just look at how many Israelis have very white skin today, go figure