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Does anyone believe in Evolution anymore?

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LightofTruth

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Subduction Zone said:
Now you tell us that you have no education in evolution yet you do not accept it. This sounds rather hypocritical.
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The term "ape-man" is a man-made idea. "Ape-man" does not exist. it's based on the assumption that man evolved from apes. Apes are one species and man is another. "Ape-man" is a non-existent species. it never did exist. Only in the assumption of evolutionist does it exist..
 
Polymath257

Polymath257

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LightofTruth said:
can you see the difference between an ape and a human?
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Humans are a *type* of ape. Just like we are a type of animal, a type of mammal, a type of placental mammal, and a type of primate.

There are difference between humans and the other great apes, but those differences are less than, say, the differences between different canines. I can see the difference between a fox and a dog, but still recognize that they are related and both canines.
 
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LightofTruth

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Polymath257 said:
Humans are a *type* of ape. Just like we are a type of animal, a type of mammal, a type of placental mammal, and a type of primate.

There are difference between humans and the other great apes, but those differences are less than, say, the differences between different canines. I can see the difference between a fox and a dog, but still recognize that they are related and both canines.
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What is a "type of ape"? it's either an ape or it's not an ape.
 
Polymath257

Polymath257

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LightofTruth said:
The term "ape-man" is a man-made idea. "Ape-man" does not exist. it's based on the assumption that man evolved from apes. Apes are one species and man is another. "Ape-man" is a non-existent species. it never did exist. Only in the assumption of evolutionist does it exist..
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Wrong in so many ways.

First, 'ape' is NOT a single species. Chimps, gorillas, bonobos, etc are ALL great apes. So are humans.

Second, the fact that we see several species *today* doesn't negate that we all evolved from common ancestors.

Third, we know of 'transitional' fossils linking humans to the other apes. Whether you want to call them ape-men or not is your choice. That doesn't change the facts that humans are a type of ape and evolved from common ancestors with the other great apes.

Fourth, we don't just 'assume' these fossils exist. They *actually* exist and have the characteristics predicted (although walking upright came before increased brain size).
 
Polymath257

Polymath257

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LightofTruth said:
What is a "type of ape"? it's either an ape or it's not an ape.
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Sorry, but the real world isn't as black and white as you imagine.

Chimps are apes. Gorillas are apes. Humans are apes. They are different *types* of apes.

Just like dogs are mammals, cats are mammals, cows are mammals, and humans are mammals, but all are different types of mammals.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
LightofTruth said:
The term "ape-man" is a man-made idea. "Ape-man" does not exist. it's based on the assumption that man evolved from apes. Apes are one species and man is another. "Ape-man" is a non-existent species. it never did exist. Only in the assumption of evolutionist does it exist..
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Wrong, apes are a group of species and man is a species in that group.

You claimed to want to learn. Now you are clinging to incorrect ideas.
 
Subduction Zone

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
LightofTruth said:
A first-grader can tell the difference between an ape and a human.
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No, they really can't. You are an ape. Your claim is poorly formed. A first-grader can tell the difference between humans and other apes. But since humans are apes one cannot tell the "difference between humans and apes". It is like trying to tell the difference between "beagles and dogs".
 
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LightofTruth

Well-Known Member
Polymath257 said:
So? They can also tell the difference between foxes and dogs, but that doens't deny that they are related and both canines.
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Why is a fox called a fox and a dog a dog?
Subduction Zone said:
Wrong, apes are a group of species and man is a species in that group.

You claimed to want to learn. Now you are clinging to incorrect ideas.
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They are man-made classifications. The fact is, "ape-man" does not exist. anyone can tell the difference between an ape an a man.
 
Wandering Monk

Wandering Monk

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LightofTruth said:
Why is a fox called a fox and a dog a dog?

They are man-made classifications. The fact is, "ape-man" does not exist. anyone can tell the difference between an ape an a man.
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So far, you are the only one here using the term 'ape-mam.' Can't help wondering if your ape-man isn't just a straw-man.
 
ratiocinator

ratiocinator

Lightly seared on the reality grill.
LightofTruth said:
They are man-made classifications.
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All words for things are "man-made".

LightofTruth said:
The fact is, "ape-man" does not exist. anyone can tell the difference between an ape an a man.
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You can't redefine the accepted terminology just because you don't like it.

Human
Humans (Homo sapiens) are the only extant members of the subtribe Hominina. Together with chimpanzees, gorillas, and orangutans, they are part of the family Hominidae (the great apes, or hominids).
 
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