Does Atheism Lead to Immoral Behavior?

[Evangelicalhumanist]

nothing exists

Some people have little to no empathy or endogenous moral compass, either because of a pathology like antisocial personality disorder or from atrophy due to disuse if they imbibe an exogenous moral code and refer to it instead, which they are encouraged to do.

You know, this is such an important point, I wish you had expanded on it -- and I well-know you have the capacity to do so well.

 

[Valjean]

Then you are not atheist in the true sense of the word.
You may be atheist, in the popularized version... just like the popularized version of Christianity, billions fit under.

What is the true sense of atheism, if I might ask?

 

[Polymath257]

Heretic! The true non existent religious exemplar is the Invisible Pink Unicorn! Beware, or you will feel the impact of her sacred horn!

I am actually a devote of the IPU. May her sacred hooves bless you.

 

[Apostle John]

You just keep making things up.
Ever occur to you that it's because
you've nothing of substance to say,
nothing to criticize except what you make up?

You’ll find what I said is described in more detail in the Bible.
Substance in the sense you describe is always pithy, especially from you atheists. Substance, as in matter, as in the physical sense, is real and still no one knows where that comes from, only God knows.

 

[Ella S.]

You’ll find what I said is described in more detail in the Bible.
Substance in the sense you describe is always pithy, especially from you atheists. Substance, as in matter, as in the physical sense, is real and still no one knows where that comes from, only God knows.

I'm fairly confident that we know that matter came from the Big Bang.

 

[Alien826]

In Islam, a man is responsible for his [family], and if ladies dress inappropriately, he should
chastise them .. not necessarily some "morality police".

Woo. I guess that puts women squarely under the power of men. Do women get to "chastise" at all?

Where does one draw the line, though?
What if women decide to walk around topless?
Is that acceptable? Not in my opinion, it isn't.

It's probably not acceptable to society as a whole in most Western countries. It wouldn't bother me. They are their "things" after all. My problem is with the assumption that men have the right to tell women what to do. This is my main objection to Islamic morality.

 

[Apostle John]

I'm fairly confident that we know that matter came from the Big Bang.

To be fair that’s what the scientists can only say at the mo

 

[Alien826]

I am actually a devote of the IPU. May her sacred hooves bless you.

And also you, brother.

 

[Ella S.]

To be fair that’s what the scientists can only say at the mo

Exactly! It's the only logical conclusion we can form based on the data we have available to us. Any other proposed explanation is baseless at best, irrational at worst.

 

[muhammad_isa]

It wouldn't bother me..

That doesn't surprise me..
I might have thought the same thing when I was younger,
but upon becoming a father, I realise the meaning of responsibility.

..so many people cannot see further than their noses.

 

[Polymath257]

No .. that is happening due to the global nature of the world.
Furthermore, it is debatable whether the govt. is responsible for punishing women
for not wearing hijab.
In Islam, a man is responsible for his familt, and if ladies dress inappropriately, he should
chastise them .. not necessarily some "morality police".

Ugh, Sorry, but a grown woman doesn't need to be 'chastised' by her husband, father, or any other family member.

And what about the men getting chastised? can the women chastise the men?

Again, this has happened due to western interference, and is an attempt to reverse
the trend.
Western, secular values are not necessarily correct .. but neither is the forcing of
people to follow a religion.

Where does one draw the line, though?
What if women decide to walk around topless?
Is that acceptable? Not in my opinion, it isn't.

Isn't that for ALL the people to decide via elected government?

 

[Polymath257]

That doesn't surprise me..
I might have thought the same thing when I was younger,
but upon becoming a father, I realise the meaning of responsibility.

..so many people cannot see further than their noses.

I am a father and it doesn't bother me. Some people just don't see such things as problematic.

What is the precise problem with women going topless? That you might catch a glimpse of nipple? How horrible! I'm sure you could hardly control yourself if that happened. And it would be all the *woman's fault*.

Is it OK for men to go topless? Why or why not?

 

[muhammad_isa]

I am a father and it doesn't bother me. Some people just don't see such things as problematic.

Have you got teenage daughters?
If so, do you care if they get pregnant?

..or perhaps you think it's alright if they take the pill and have "fun".

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Drug dealing and prostitution are mostly human issues, so they don't really apply to animals.

Nonhumans love to do drugs/self medicate.

 

[Audie]

Woo. I guess that puts women squarely under the power of men. Do women get to "chastise" at all?

It's probably not acceptable to society as a whole in most Western countries. It wouldn't bother me. They are their "things" after all. My problem is with the assumption that men have the right to tell women what to do. This is my main objection to Islamic morality.

Just let some man try to chastise me
because he finds how i dress inappropriate.

But men thinking that way is among the least
of what is odious about certain religions

 

[Audie]

Have you got teenage daughters?
If so, do you care if they get pregnant?

..or perhaps you think it's alright if they take the pill and have "fun".

You didn't say if you'd lose control if you saw
nipples.
Men give themselves away when they get all
righteous. The more they go on about sin and depravity its
the more obvious they're really talking about themselves.

 

[Brian2]

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I've read that one of the highest proportions of god-believers is amongst prison populations.

Why do you think that might be the case?

 

[Revoltingest]

Drug dealing and prostitution are mostly human issues, so they don't really apply to animals.

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[Kelly of the Phoenix]

12] Luke 14:26 - Jesus says no man can be his disciple unless he hates his parents, siblings, wife, children, and himself as well: "If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple."

Jesus would fund Freud for decades.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

You know, I really wish somebody would do a bit of questioning about how the topic of this thread (does atheism lead to immorality) reflects on what just happened in the Tennessee legislature. Tell me that the 75% of the Republicans in that house are primarily atheist, and that's why the ejected two black men, and not one white woman, when all three were engaged in precisely the same thing.

I'll tell you what -- this was unquestionably white CHRISTIANS saying "you black boys don' wanna be gittin' uppity!"

Amen.