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Does Atheism Lead to Immoral Behavior?

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
It is very easy to understand, but notoriously difficult to prove.

You said "That is why all of those who condemn sexual activity should just mind their own business."
Those in authority can't really mind their own business .. they have a job to do. :)
For consensual sexual activity, the authorities don't have to be involved. How difficult is that?

Mind your own business unless there is an actual crime involved. Sheesh.
 

Colt

Well-Known Member
This is not an answer. This is an excuse many religious people say in debate because they have no actual answer to the question. What you say hre means: anything goes. It means the 9-11 hijackers can claim they had evidence of God and acted according to God's will. Can you say they 9-11 hijackers were wrong? No, because you claim evidence for God is in the heart of the seker, and offer no facts for anyone to distill dogma from truth.
By their fruits one can distinguish human self-will from Gods will. The 9-11 hijackers concept of God was a reflection of their own image. They were rationalizing, listening to their own hatred.
I see right wingers often use "god" and religion as window dressing as camoflage of their lack of compassion and tolerance. I don't want to read about believrs talking about how others fall short of the mark when they are believers in Christ and have political views that are contrary to what Jesus taught. Fraud. If you want to convince me you as a right winger have found the truth in Christ, then live that truth. Words and belief are cheap.
You don't even believe in Jesus so our complaints are hypocritical.
Another claim that offers no evidence. I know what you will say, it's all up to the individual to decide, right?

This is a complaint, not debate. It's just more griping about other using their reasoning skill in eligious debate that theists can't defend against. The only winning strategy for theists is to not engage with critical thinkers. That way Muslims and Christians can exist in their own little bubbles and not face the questing they avoid asking themselves.
The atheist doctrine that life invented itself isn't critical thinking.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It is very easy to understand, but notoriously difficult to prove.

You said "That is why all of those who condemn sexual activity should just mind their own business."
Those in authority can't really mind their own business .. they have a job to do. :)
Is this to say in general that whatever it is authorities
believe, that they may enforce it against all?
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
There are times it's worth believing.
Example...
When traffic ahead has stopped,
tis wise to stop before colliding.
This is empirically demonstrable.

Even in a game (or other such simulation),
there are rules. If one plays the game,
observing those rules improves the result.

It doesn't make it physical. That is a human concept.
I can obey the rules with believing it to be physical.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It doesn't make it physical. That is a human concept.
I can obey the rules with believing it to be physical.
Let's take your view....
The stopped traffic ahead isn't physical.
My failure to stop ahead of time isn't physical.
Crashing into them, enduring great injury, or
even dying isn't physical.

But whatever this injury or dying thingies are,
I choose to avoid their happening to me.
There appears to be no useful difference between
the physical world, & whatever you believe the
alternative to be.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Let's take your view....
The stopped traffic ahead isn't physical.
My failure to stop ahead of time isn't physical.
Crashing into them, enduring great injury, or
even dying isn't physical.

But whatever this injury or dying thingies are,
I choose to avoid their happening to me.
There appears to be no useful difference between
the physical world, & whatever you believe the
alternative to be.

Yeah, but you have to give evidence how you know it is physical?
Hint, you can't. It is a norm or naming convention.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Yeah, but you have to give evidence how you know it is physical?
Hint, you can't. It is a norm or naming convention.
No, consider the scenarios I just posed...
If the results of actions are the same, whether
our existence is physical or non-physical, thus
there is no perceivable difference.
By Occam's razor, I can reduce it all to one
kind of existence. I label it "physical".
 
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Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
It is very easy to understand, but notoriously difficult to prove.

You said "That is why all of those who condemn sexual activity should just mind their own business."
Those in authority can't really mind their own business .. they have a job to do. :)

How is it now difficult to prove than, say, theft?

We don't day that someone who gives money away deserves to be robbed. So someone that has sex when they want doesn't deserve to be assaulted.
 
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Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Hopefully .. but you never know what might happen later down the line. :(
Like?
No sex before marriage is a safer option.
Sounds like a very poor option. It leads to marriages that aren't compatible. It leads to higher frustration levels. It leads to a poor understanding of oneself.
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
There is nothing to follow.
A man is naturally jealous of a sexual rival.
And a person is naturally jealous of someone richer. Both just need to control themselves.
If people go to clubs to fornicate, the result is trouble .. following "nature" does not
necessarily result in civilised behaviour.
As a general rule, this is true. In this case, though, it is false. Civilized behavior includes letting people be themselves as long as they don't hurt others.
 
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