Does believing, thinking or feeling something is true actually make it true?

[Ignatius A]

Is being a man or a woman (as opposed to being the male or female sex) only about what's between your legs, or is it more? Is it mannerisms, attitudes, modes of dress, choice of activies and interests, and a whole lot more?

What makes you "feel like a man?" Do you have to reach down when I ask the question to make sure that "what makes you feel like a man" is still there? When you are doing "masculine-oriented" activies with your male friends, are you concentrating on yourself and them as personalities, or are you paying attention to their genitalia?

I ask again: exactly what is it, at every moment of your life, that makes you feel assuredly that you are a man?

I never made any of those claims.

I never said I feel like a man. I feel what I feel. I don't know if that's what a man feels like but I am a man and that's a fact not based of my feelings.

Again I am a man I dont feel like a man. I only know what I feel, as a man, but thats not the same as i feel like a man. I feel what I feel.

So you ignored the anorexia. Good decision.

 

[Ignatius A]

Welcome to the human race. Not everything is clear and well defined. I tend to apply a test that involves the effects of the particular subject. Should Russia have invaded Ukraine? Absolutely not. Should people wear red hats? Who cares? Should we agonize over the exact meaning of "man" and "woman"? Your answer seems to be different from mine.

Russia should t have invaded Ukraine because you said so? We know some nitwits are "triggered" by t shirts with the name of a former president in it and wish not to see it. It's the selective application of this stuff that BS

 

[Ignatius A]

And when you've answered that, I'd like to propose a little thought experiment. What if a mad scientist captured you, and transplanted your brain into a female body -- what would you feel like then? Surely, because now you've got all the female parts, you must think you'd feel like a nice, feminine girl looking for a hunky boyfriend, no?

I have answered it.

Now you have to address the anorexia thing. You don't makes the rules I must live by.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Russia should t have invaded Ukraine because you said so? We know some nitwits are "triggered" by t shirts with the name of a former president in it and wish not to see it. It's the selective application of this stuff that BS

I would like you to explain what truth is and not base it on how you think and feel.

 

[Ignatius A]

And we would agree that person "X" is a person. Even though we may not agree on their gender because we determine that using different criteria.

Why do we have to make that determination? If we are person "X"s doctor, we might have to make that determination based on biology. If we are person "X"s psychologist we might have to make that determination based on how they feel. If we are person "X"s jailer we might have to make that decision based on their safety. If we are person "X"s lover we might have to make that determination based on personal attraction. Otherwise, why do we have to make that determination at all? Or, why not just take person "X" at their word?

Why do I even need to judge? Especially if I have no idea what their claim even means?

It's amazing how far people will go to not answer a simple question. Do you think someone with a penis who believes, thinks and feels that they are a woman is actually a woman? Either people can't or won't think.

 

[Ignatius A]

I would like you to explain what truth is and not base it on how you think and feel.

The sun rises in the east.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

It's amazing how far people will go to not answer a simple question. Do you think someone with a penis who believes, thinks and feels that they are a woman is actually a woman? Either people can't or won't think.

Yes, I believe that is a woman with a penis.
Now explain how you know what is true in your example in regards to the person with a penis. Is it a male, woman or something else? How yo you know that as true?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The sun rises in the east.

That is a cultural construct. There is no objective east. It is a human convention.

 

[Ignatius A]

Yes, I believe that is a woman with a penis.
Now explain how you know what is true in your example in regards to the person with a penis. Is it a male, woman or something else? How yo you know that as true?

The first clear answer. Thank you.

What truth claim did I make?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

I never made any of those claims.

I never said I feel like a man. I feel what I feel. I don't know if that's what a man feels like but I am a man and that's a fact not based of my feelings.

Again I am a man I dont feel like a man. I only know what I feel, as a man, but thats not the same as i feel like a man. I feel what I feel.

So you ignored the anorexia. Good decision.

So where are your "feelings" about yourself located. (Let me give you a hint -- if you are under general anaesthetic, or brain dead, you don't "feel" anything.)

Now how do you think these

guys should feel about themselves? (Hint, they both have vaginas.)

 

[Ignatius A]

That is a cultural construct. There is no objective east. It is a human convention.

True. The word "east" is a human construct but the sun rising where it does, isnt. It will never rise anywhere else but there no matter what it's called. Glad we agree that words are a human convention but not necessarily they things they point to.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The first clear answer. Thank you.

What truth claim did I make?

You claim you can decide without thinking and feeling what a person with a penis is, don't you?
Or it is something else?

 

[Ignatius A]

So where are your "feelings" about yourself located. (Let me give you a hint -- if you are under general anaesthetic, or brain dead, you don't "feel" anything.)

Now how do you think these View attachment 91145View attachment 91146guys should feel about themselves? (Hint, they both have vaginas.)

I have no idea how they should feel about themselves. If they are men and you are a man should you or do you feel the same as they do?

Keep dodging the anorexia thing.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

True. The word "east" is a human construct but the sun rising where it does, isnt. It will never rise anywhere else but there no matter what it's called. Glad we agree that words are a human convention but not necessarily they things they point to.

Not in all cases. But we have to check for sex and gender.

 

[Ignatius A]

You claim you can decide without thinking and feeling what a person with a penis is, don't you?
Or it is something else?

Where did I say that? I asked a question. Do you need to see it again?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I have no idea how they should feel about themselves. If they are men and you are a man should you or do you feel the same as they do?

Keep dodging the anorexia thing.

What makes a man a man to you?

 

[Ignatius A]

Not in all cases. But we have to check for sex and gender.

In all cases words point to something.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Where did I say that? I asked a question. Do you need to see it again?

So you don't know what a man and woman is? Is that it?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

In all cases words point to something.

No, not all referents can be done by pointing what is denoted or it stands for.
For that I love my wife, you can't point to love in that case as something.

 

[Ignatius A]

What makes a man a man to you?

Generally a man refers to a male. Chromosomes most often are the best indicator of sex/gender. My point is if a man says he feels like a woman how does he know that what hes feeling means he's a woman?