Does Christmas have anything to do with Christ?

[savagewind]

Hm. I see there is a change.

 

[MikeSavage]

”Glorifying a team” how do you do that? Cheering your home team does not mean you are glorifying it in exchange to God. You see this is how you misinterpret this thing by giving a different meaning to the word “Cheering”. Cheering is not Glorifying. Sometimes you see players praying, that is giving glory to God, at the end of the game, but during the game people are cheering on either teams but before the game starts some of the home teams recite the pledge of allegiance where people and soldiers salute the flag.

I don't recall saying it was "in exchange for God", and you know I didn't say that.

 

[jeager106]

From Webster: pagan:
Middle English, from Late Latin paganus, from Latin, civilian, country dweller, from pagus country district; akin to Latinpangere to fix — more at pact
First Known Use: 14th century

Origin of the word hell from Wikipedia:
The modern English word Hell is derived from Old English hel, helle (about 725 AD to refer to a nether world of the dead) reaching into the Anglo-Saxon pagan period, and ultimately from Proto-Germanic*halja, meaning "one who covers up or hides something"
The word hell does not belong in the Christain Bible. Research the word origin & meaning if you like. It's interesting that now many churches don't teach hell even exist, never did; it's actually a pagan concept.
Jesus was a Jew. The ancient Jews had no concept of a "hell" a place of ever lasting torment, fire & brimstone stuff. The ancient Jews were more concerned with having contact with God thru prayer. The worse thing for a Jew was to feel cut off from God without hope of reconcilliation.

 

[MikeSavage]

From Webster: pagan:
Middle English, from Late Latin paganus, from Latin, civilian, country dweller, from pagus country district; akin to Latinpangere to fix — more at pact
First Known Use: 14th century

Origin of the word hell from Wikipedia:
The modern English word Hell is derived from Old English hel, helle (about 725 AD to refer to a nether world of the dead) reaching into the Anglo-Saxon pagan period, and ultimately from Proto-Germanic*halja, meaning "one who covers up or hides something"
The word hell does not belong in the Christain Bible. Research the word origin & meaning if you like. It's interesting that now many churches don't teach hell even exist, never did; it's actually a pagan concept.
Jesus was a Jew. The ancient Jews had no concept of a "hell" a place of ever lasting torment, fire & brimstone stuff. The ancient Jews were more concerned with having contact with God thru prayer. The worse thing for a Jew was to feel cut off from God without hope of reconcilliation.

I don't need a definition on the word pagan, and the MODERN English definition of the word hell isn't the definition of the word hell as used 2 thousand years ago. It means "common grave of man", not a place of torture.

 

[Christ's Prophet]

My point is God never commanded it because it is not as important as Jesus' death.
Ecclesiastes 7:1 A good name is better than precious ointment, and the day of death than the day of one’s birth.

Jesus commands that we remember his death.Nowhere in the holy scriptures does it say remember his birth.

Quite right. What annoys me more is they can't even leave Christ in Christmas, they end up with Xmas. This is disrespectful. It is some people's intention to remove Christ from their lives as much as possible. They don't want to be under the conviction of their Creator. Christ's Prophet. Certainty for eternity.

 

[jeager106]

I don't need a definition on the word pagan, and the MODERN English definition of the word hell isn't the definition of the word hell as used 2 thousand years ago. It means "common grave of man", not a place of torture.

My post wasn't meant for anyone in particular, just tossed it out there for anyone interested. The word H E L L didn't exist 2K yrs ago in any form.
My point was that there isn't a place or torture as many Christians believe.
You seem a tad testy there Mike.

 

[MikeSavage]

My post wasn't meant for anyone in particular, just tossed it out there for anyone interested. The word H E L L didn't exist 2K yrs ago in any form.
My point was that there isn't a place or torture as many Christians believe.
You seem a tad testy there Mike.

Actually 2 k years ago, a small group of Greeks used hell, but their understanding was common grave of man, not place of torment.

 

[ChristineES]

The word "hell" is used in place of a lot of different words: Sheol, Hades, etc. Sheol means the grave and Hades is the "underground".

 

[MikeSavage]

The word "hell" is used in place of a lot of different words: Sheol, Hades, etc. Sheol means the grave and Hades is the "underground".

Sheol and Hades mean the same thing. The common grave of mankind.

 

[jeager106]

Sheol and Hades mean the same thing. The common grave of mankind.

Yes it does indeed. The early church promoted the notion of Dantes Inferno as the images scared hell out of the vast numbers of illiterate church followers.
It's easy to control illiterate masses when only the clergy could read/write.
The Christian Bible was manipulated to suit the needs of the Church.
Many translation errors still exist today.

 

[savagewind]

The translation errors are being carried forward which is a much worse sin than celebrating Christmas, in my opinion. The command to quit touching the unclean thing is as clear as a bell. To quit traditions of family love is not so clear.

 

[Nada]

The word "hell" is used in place of a lot of different words: Sheol, Hades, etc. Sheol means the grave and Hades is the "underground".

So that then means it really speaks of the grave, and not a place of fire, and eternal torment.

 

[JM2C]

I don't recall saying it was "in exchange for God", and you know I didn't say that.

You forgot what you wrote? Here it is again.

Sports aren't evil either. Glorifying a team is giving glory to someone or something other than God.

I asked ”Glorifying a team” how do you do that?

You are implying that “cheering” a team is like “glorifying” or “giving glory to someone or something other than God”. I know it’s a matter of semantics.

 

[MikeSavage]

The translation errors are being carried forward which is a much worse sin than celebrating Christmas, in my opinion. The command to quit touching the unclean thing is as clear as a bell. To quit traditions of family love is not so clear.

I do not celebrate christmas, but I do give gifts to my children at many times of the year, just because I love them. They are not in any way sad about not celebrating Christmas.

 

[Nada]

One thing I find very interesting about those who do celebrate Christmas is the fact that they give presents to each other,yet it is supposed to be Jesus' birthday.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Christmas cards have started arriving already! Eeeek!

 

[`mud]

hey Bible,
You seem to always forget the OP.
It's Pagan, not about Jesus, or any 'christ',
but you already knew that, didn't you ?
~
'mud

 

[Nada]

hey Bible,
You seem to always forget the OP.
It's Pagan, not about Jesus, or any 'christ',
but you already knew that, didn't you ?
~
'mud

Wow,thank you for taking the time to bring this to my attention my old friend.You are so kind.I'm much obliged.

 

[`mud]

No problem, friend.
Always being here trying to further your efforts.
~
'mud

 

[Nada]

No problem, friend.
Always being here trying to further your efforts.
~
'mud

Is it ok Mud if the person that commented below my post speaks about christmas cards, or would that not comply with what the OP is speaking about?