Does Christmas have anything to do with Christ?

[JM2C]

I agree.
That does not stop you or any one else from lying about it.

You agree that the truth does not lie? That’s a good start. If you know how to compare doctrines between Christian denominations then you’ll be able to see which one is lying or telling the truth. There is such thing as “True Christian”.

 

[JM2C]

The interesting thing is how you repeatedly claim truth but offer up nothing to indicate your claims are anything but wishful thinking.

My claim has the support of thousands of years of written documents, while yours are nothing but your fantasies that came from your fantasy books.

 

[JM2C]

I predict yet another diversion tactic...

Predict? You could do that? Really?

 

[savagewind]

You agree that the truth does not lie? That’s a good start. If you know how to compare doctrines between Christian denominations then you’ll be able to see which one is lying or telling the truth. There is such thing as “True Christian”.

There is no such thing as true Christian. Christian is a name The World gives to all the people who profess Jesus is Lord. To profess Jesus as Lord means to follow all the time. Who follows him all the time? He didn't even give us the directions so anyone saying "I follow him always" is lying.

I'll think it out for you. IF Christian is a presumptuous word for the people whose lord is Jesus then to be a true one is to accept that presumptuous title. But that wouldn't be right. Anyone holdiing on dearly to what is not right is not a being true to Jesus Christ.

Can you see it?...

ps I know J can't see it but can you?

 

[JM2C]

There is no such thing as true Christian.

Subjectively it’s true, there is such thing as “True Christian”. Those who are in the body of Christ are the true Christians. Are they, the True Christians in the body of Christ, as visible as those people inside the church building or belongs to a denomination?

Who place these “True Christians” into the body of Christ? Not by going to church, not by being a member of a denomination, not by being baptized into that denomination, not by adhering to their man made rules and regulations, but by the Holy Spirit.

1Co 12:13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

This is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. All “True Christians” were baptized into one body subjectively into the body of Christ. Only God knows the hearts of the “True Christians”.

Ac 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.

These are the "True Christians"

 

[savagewind]

Believers in Jesus Christ to lead are called "Christians". I think God and Jesus call them "children of God".

 

[JM2C]

Christian is a name The World gives to all the people who profess Jesus is Lord.

Were they all “True Christians” then? No!
Mt 7:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

Paul said the same thing in,

Ac 20:29 I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.
Ac 20:30 Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them.

“From your own number” they will “distort the truth” to “draw away disciples”

Mt 7:16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Mt 7:17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
Mt 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Mt 7:19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.

Can you tell from verses 16-19 the “True Christians” from the “false ones”?

Mt 7:20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

By their teachings “you will recognize them” they will “distort the truth” to “draw away disciples”

Mt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mt 7:22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’
Mt 7:23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

 

[savagewind]

Great topic but off topic.

 

[MikeSavage]

Subjectively it’s true, there is such thing as “True Christian”. Those who are in the body of Christ are the true Christians. Are they, the True Christians in the body of Christ, as visible as those people inside the church building or belongs to a denomination?

Who place these “True Christians” into the body of Christ? Not by going to church, not by being a member of a denomination, not by being baptized into that denomination, not by adhering to their man made rules and regulations, but by the Holy Spirit.

1Co 12:13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit into one body—whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink.

This is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. All “True Christians” were baptized into one body subjectively into the body of Christ. Only God knows the hearts of the “True Christians”.

Ac 15:8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.

These are the "True Christians"

One who does the entire will of God the Almighty, with no exceptions, is a "true Christian". It is knowing what that will of God is, that is the trick. Almost no one has a clue.

 

[savagewind]

One who does the entire will of God the Almighty, with no exceptions, is a "true Christian". It is knowing what that will of God is, that is the trick. Almost no one has a clue.

I am sorry. I feel the need to make sure this wonderful insight is copied. I have nothing to say.

 

[JM2C]

IF Christian is a presumptuous word for the people whose lord is Jesus then to be a true one is to accept that presumptuous title.

But that wouldn't be right. Anyone holdiing on dearly to what is not right is not a being true to Jesus Christ.

Can you see it?...

ps I know J can't see it but can you?

Being a Christian is not really up to the individual who professed Jesus is Lord but to God’s who placed you into the body of Christ.
Only God can see the heart, and from here on the understanding of the word of God, and that is the most important part of Christianity, understanding the word of God or sanctification. Jn 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

Always remember this: One cannot be sanctified, by the word of God, if one is not truly justified.

If one says s/he a “True Christian” and people will see or read it as an arrogant statement base on the “no true Scotsman fallacy” then they don’t know or understand the true meaning of what a “True Christian” really is.

This could be the reason why a lot of people are still confused about the true meaning of Christianity. Some professed Christians still adhere to idols and statues, some to Law of Moses, some to mysticism, and some to all kinds of other religions mix into one casserole. These are the hybrid-christians and by their teachings you will recognize them.

 

[MikeSavage]

Being a Christian is not really up to the individual who professed Jesus is Lord but to God’s who placed you into the body of Christ.
Only God can see the heart, and from here on the understanding of the word of God, and that is the most important part of Christianity, understanding the word of God or sanctification. Jn 17:17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

Always remember this: One cannot be sanctified, by the word of God, if one is not truly justified.

If one says s/he a “True Christian” and people will see or read it as an arrogant statement base on the “no true Scotsman fallacy” then they don’t know or understand the true meaning of what a “True Christian” really is.

This could be the reason why a lot of people are still confused about the true meaning of Christianity. Some professed Christians still adhere to idols and statues, some to Law of Moses, some to mysticism, and some to all kinds of other religions mix into one casserole. These are the hybrid-christians and by their teachings you will recognize them.

Wouldn't it make more sense to not rely upon your own understanding, as the scriptures admonish us? Rely on God's understanding, not a religion or church's teachings, but on God's

 

[Dirty Penguin]

What difference does the origins of Christmas make to those who have made meaning of Christmas?

I think it makes a difference if one is in denial about its historical roots. Since the question was asked does Christmas have anything to do with Christ....I would say...historically not much given it's an amalgamation of multiple pagan rituals and customs.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

He made us, and the universe, and the Earth we live on.

So? It's not my fault he didn't put enough compelling evidence to support his story for me to believe it. It's not my fault when I look at the world I see patterns of things happening randomly, with no reason to believe there is some sort of divine intervention. It's not my fault I was presented with such a myriad of options when it comes to religion, and it's certainly not my fault they were all created by humans.

 

[JM2C]

Wouldn't it make more sense to not rely upon your own understanding, as the scriptures admonish us?

Rely on God's understanding, not a religion or church's teachings, but on God's

You said that you’re not a member of JW but sounds like one of them. Do you think that JW’s teachings are the true ones? No, by their teachings you will recognize them.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Peace be on all.

""
Editorial on Christmas
The Review of Religions, December 1990

The vast majority of Christian Churches proclaim that Jesus was born on the 25th December and it is on this date that Christians all over the world celebrate Christmas Day. Although the manner in which this occasion is observed raises many points of discussion, we are focusing attention only on whether or not Jesus was born on the 25th December. We quote the views and findings of some Christian authorities who believe that he was born at another time of the year.

Bishop Barnes writes:

There is, moreover, no authority for the belief that December 25th was the actual birthday of Jesus ... Our Christmas Day seems to have been accepted about 300 AD. (Rise of Christianity)


Chambers Encyclopaedia states:There is no authoritative tradition as to the day or month of Christ's birth and some uncertainty exists as to the actual year. St. Clements of Alexandria refers to calculations which placed it in April or May.


The Encyclopaedia Britainnica informs us:Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church, and before the 5th century there was no general consensus of opinion as to when it should come into the calendar. The exact day and year of Christ's birth have never been satisfactorily settled.


According to the Holy Quran the birth of Jesus took place at a time when fresh dates are found on palm-trees in Judea. After delivering Jesus under a palm-tree an angel spoke to Mary saying:And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree; it will drop upon thee fresh ripe dates. (19:26)


The Bible mentions that shepherds were watching their sheep at the time of Jesus' birth which would have been most unlikely in December when the climate in Judea is extremely cold. ""

Source: https://www.alislam.org/library/links/00000164.html

Made laugh but it's spot on with what you said....

 

[savagewind]

="JM2C, post: 4065954, member: 53604"]

You said that you’re not a member of JW but sounds like one of them. Do you think that JW’s teachings are the true ones? No, by their teachings you will recognize them

He didn't say he is not a member. They call themselves a non- religous organization. It will be very interesting to see them change their minds quick enough when the federal tax people get interested. THEN they will say they are a religion. It is all about waiting. They are a religion but they don't it yet.

 

[JM2C]

He didn't say he is not a member. They call themselves a non- religous organization. It will be very interesting to see them change their minds quick enough when the federal tax people get interested. THEN they will say they are a religion. It is all about waiting. They are a religion but they don't it yet.

So it was all about money, wasn't it?

1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

 

[JM2C]

bold empty claim
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Next?

How many times you gonna say "bold empty claim"? Yeah what's next? Please no more "bold empty claim"

 

[MikeSavage]

So? It's not my fault he didn't put enough compelling evidence to support his story for me to believe it. It's not my fault when I look at the world I see patterns of things happening randomly, with no reason to believe there is some sort of divine intervention. It's not my fault I was presented with such a myriad of options when it comes to religion, and it's certainly not my fault they were all created by humans.

He did put enough evidence right in front of everyone.