Does Christmas have anything to do with Christ?

[`mud]

Annointment, the bathing in oils, the blessing by other annointed humans.
No gods needed here, the self-annointed will do the annointing.
I suppose the doing of this act results in a higher level of annointedness.
And of course, less smelly annointed people, lavender would be a good choice, or rose-oil.
What a load of crap, annoint my arsse if you want, it doesn't accomplish anything.
If one believes in honoring Jesus, do it. Forget the worshipping stuff.
Like I was told....there's no flesh in heaven, annointed or not.
Pour the oil, favor the leaders, follow the herd to heaven.
nuff stuff
~
Peace on you and yours, and merry Christmas.
~
'mud

 

[MikeSavage]

That's it. You ARE saying they tell us what to think. Are you not saying I must side with them to be saved? You are. Where did you get the idea that to be saved a person must believe as you do?

What I said is that you should discuss it with some elders. Their job is not to tell anyone what to think. That is no one's job, anywhere, ever. What you think is your job. It should be based on accurate information. You can get that from some elders. You keep reading things into what I post that I did not say. Either go get some accurate information, and some advice. Discuss your feelings about the governing body because what you believe is not what is the truth. If you have no desire to be one of God's people, and not to be protected during the tribulation and final battle, that is up to no one but yourself. What you think is up to no one but yourself. That has never changed, and never will.

 

[savagewind]

What I said is that you should discuss it with some elders. Their job is not to tell anyone what to think. That is no one's job, anywhere, ever. What you think is your job. It should be based on accurate information. You can get that from some elders. You keep reading things into what I post that I did not say. Either go get some accurate information, and some advice. Discuss your feelings about the governing body because what you believe is not what is the truth. If you have no desire to be one of God's people, and not to be protected during the tribulation and final battle, that is up to no one but yourself. What you think is up to no one but yourself. That has never changed, and never will.

Yes thinking my own thoughts is up to me. But can you hear yourself saying I must think their thoughts TO BE SAVED?

 

[MikeSavage]

Yes thinking my own thoughts is up to me. But can you hear yourself saying I must think their thoughts TO BE SAVED?

No. Only you can hear that, because you are inventing things in your own head. I never said that. I said have a talk with some elders. To save yourself, you must do the ENTIRE will of God. The elder arrangement, the governing body arrangement, the Christian congregation arrangement, are all JEHOVAH'S ARRANGEMENTS. He set them in place, He organized them, He put them in place. Those are His arrangements. What you are having a problem with is Jehovah, not the governing body. If you don't love Him, say so. If you don't want to be protected by Him in the tribulation and final battle, just say so. Ultimately, that is your problem here. It's not with the governing body at all and you know it as well as I know it. You're not being honest with yourself, and you're not being honest with me.

 

[JM2C]

You tried presenting the mined quotes in a fashion to make it appear I said something I did not say.

Here we go again and please read and understand cause I'm not going to repeat this again.
It all started with this guy’s post:

I never got this either.If someone gets cancer and dies...God had bigger and better plans for that person. If someone gets cancer and beats it...God was looking out for them.

And I replied to his post:

Either way God is with that person. As a Christian death is a gift from God. Meaning no more sufferings, pain and all this junks here on earth. How beautiful is that?

And you butted in:

Sounds extremely self serving.

Especially given the general anti attitude of Christians whe it comes to euthanasia...

Why is it considered "playing God" to remove someone from life support, but not considered "playing God" when artificially keeping someone alive?

And I replied to your post:

I think you have a very big misconception of the word or the name Christian.You think Christians are more on politics than religion. Well, perhaps you should read more about the history of Christianity. True Christians are different from other semi-Christians or semi-hybrid Christians.

And you sarcastically replied to my post. Notice his language here, it's very offensive.

Your No True Scotsman is also nothing more than a big steaming pile of self serving crap.

I have to wonder if using a big steaming pile of self serving bull **** as your strawman is the best you got..?

but now you are agreeing with my “BOLD EMPTY CLAIMS”:

I agree, there is such a thing as a "True Christian".

 

[`mud]

"...True Christians are different from other semi-Christians or semi-hybrid Christians."
I think one could write a book about that thinking.
Oh....someone did !
~
'mud

 

[savagewind]

No. Only you can hear that, because you are inventing things in your own head. I never said that. I said have a talk with some elders. To save yourself, you must do the ENTIRE will of God. The elder arrangement, the governing body arrangement, the Christian congregation arrangement, are all JEHOVAH'S ARRANGEMENTS. He set them in place, He organized them, He put them in place. Those are His arrangements. What you are having a problem with is Jehovah, not the governing body. If you don't love Him, say so. If you don't want to be protected by Him in the tribulation and final battle, just say so. Ultimately, that is your problem here. It's not with the governing body at all and you know it as well as I know it. You're not being honest with yourself, and you're not being honest with me.

Who told you a person can "save himself"? Who told you it is humanly possible to do "the ENTIRE will of God"? Is this something you know or were you told it?

 

[savagewind]

The Bible makes it very clear salvation is not a personal matter and it makes it very clear no one is able to be equal to God. To say a person must do the entire will of God is to say he must be God's equal and is to say sinlessness is possible.

1 John 1: 8 If we make the statement, “We have no sin,” we are misleading ourselves+ and the truth is not in us.9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous so as to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.+10 If we make the statement, “We have not sinned,” we are making him a liar, and his word is not in us.

If I must do the entire will of God and I do it how am I sinning? How can a person do the entire will of God AND ALSO be a sinner? A person who does the entire will of God isn't a sinner. Someone who isn't a sinner does not need Jesus.

 

[McBell]

Here we go again and please read and understand cause I'm not going to repeat this again.
It all started with this guy’s post:And I replied to his post:And you butted in:And I replied to your post:And you sarcastically replied to my post. Notice his language here, it's very offensive.but now you are agreeing with my “BOLD EMPTY CLAIMS”:

It only appears that way to you because you left off the rest of the post:

Too bad there is no way for anyone to prove what they think is a "True Christian" actually is a "True Christian".
So we are stuck with egotists pointing out differences in beliefs and claiming what is different from theirs is NOT "true".

I seriously doubt that any one will be able to prove their version is the honest to god one true version.
And until one version can be verified beyond wishful thinking, all the egotists are doing is pointing out differences.​

Thank you for so clearly showing your blatant dishonesty.

 

[JM2C]

It only appears that way to you because you left off the rest of the post:

Did not and was not hiding anything since we cannot hide anything because they are all in there filed away for future reference. You just have to remember that they, your words, can go against you if you are not consistent.

 

[JM2C]

Too bad there is no way for anyone to prove what they think is a "True Christian" actually is a "True Christian".

So we are stuck with egotists pointing out differences in beliefs and claiming what is different from theirs is NOT "true".

Changing your mind again from

I agree, there is such a thing as a "True Christian".

to

Your No True Scotsman is also nothing more than a big steaming pile of self serving crap.

I have to wonder if using a big steaming pile of self serving bull **** as your strawman is the best you got..?

?????? Just asking….

 

[JM2C]

I seriously doubt that any one will be able to prove their version is the honest to god one true version.

And until one version can be verified beyond wishful thinking, all the egotists are doing is pointing out differences.

Like you have a saying on which one is from which one is not.

 

[JM2C]

Thank you for so clearly showing your blatant dishonesty.

Bold empty claim

Bold empty claim

Bold empty claim

Bold empty claim

Bold empty claim

Bold empty claim

Bold empty claim

Is that 7 ? ok that catches up for now.

Now.....Some empty promises !

~

'mud

 

[Shak34]

No. Only you can hear that, because you are inventing things in your own head. I never said that. I said have a talk with some elders. To save yourself, you must do the ENTIRE will of God. The elder arrangement, the governing body arrangement, the Christian congregation arrangement, are all JEHOVAH'S ARRANGEMENTS. He set them in place, He organized them, He put them in place. Those are His arrangements. What you are having a problem with is Jehovah, not the governing body. If you don't love Him, say so. If you don't want to be protected by Him in the tribulation and final battle, just say so. Ultimately, that is your problem here. It's not with the governing body at all and you know it as well as I know it. You're not being honest with yourself, and you're not being honest with me.

I don't know why anyone would want to go talk to an elder about it. Just so you can get disfellowshipped for thinking differently. Just to have everyone turn their backs on you and treat you like your nothing. Anthony Morris already gave a talk about independent thinking and how bad it is. You cannot think differently then the governing body teachings.

 

[savagewind]

I don't know why anyone would want to go talk to an elder about it. Just so you can get disfellowshipped for thinking differently. Just to have everyone turn their backs on you and treat you like your nothing. Anthony Morris already gave a talk about independent thinking and how bad it is. You cannot think differently then the governing body teachings.

I know a woman who had family in the organization and who was disfellowshipped for disagreeing with the governing body belief that Jesus returned invisibly in 1914. She doesn't believe it (neither do I!) so she can't repent of it. Of course she wants to be reunited with her family (it has been many years) but to do so she would have to lie and say now she believes they are right about 1914.
This is to Mike: It sure is scary that some people are taught not to think. Please try. To be saved a person must AGREE with governing body THINKING, this is according to governing body teaching. Why not show us in the Bible where it says agreement is what saves a person? I think Jesus Christ is the power to unite all people despite their differences.

 

[MikeSavage]

Who told you a person can "save himself"? Who told you it is humanly possible to do "the ENTIRE will of God"? Is this something you know or were you told it?

The scriptures.
1 Thess. 3:3
3 For this is the will of God, that you should be holy and abstain from sexual immorality.

1 Peter 2:15
15 For it is the will of God that by doing good you may silence the ignorant talk of unreasonable men.

1John 2:17
17 Furthermore, the world is passing away and so is its desire, but the one who does the will of God remains forever.

1Thess 4:16-22
16 Always be rejoicing. 17 Pray constantly. 18 Give thanks for everything. This is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus. 19 Do not put out the fire of the spirit. 20 Do not treat prophecies with contempt. 21 Make sure of all things; hold fast to what is fine. 22 Abstain from every form of wickedness.

1Peter 4:1-2
4 Since Christ suffered in the flesh, you too arm yourselves with the same mental disposition; because the person who has suffered in the flesh has desisted from sins, 2 so that he may live the remainder of his time in the flesh, no more for the desires of men, but for God’s will.

So you see, we are supposed to do God's will. All of what He wills us to do, and to abstain from what He wants us to abstain from.

It is not the governing body with whom we must agree, but with God the Almighty. You mentioned a woman who was disfellowshipped for not believing in Christ returning in 1914. First off, he did. The scriptures are quite clear on that point. Quite clear. Believe it or not, your choice. This woman, however, was not disfellowshipped for what she thought in her own head. That's impossible. She must have gone around trying to convince others in the congregation of her false belief. That is possible. You can be disfellowshipped for teaching false things, and after being counseled not to do that anymore, you continue. Then you will be disfellowshipped. The scriptures say clearly that we must disfellowship those who disrupt the congregation, if they persist after scriptural counseling to correct such bad behavior. You can't tell me part of her story, and expect me to believe what you post. You must tell the WHOLE story. As you posted it, it's impossible for what you said to be true. She must have done something other than think to be disfellowshipped. You not believing what the Bible clearly states is your business, but to preach wrong beliefs to others who know the truth is wrong according to God.

You posted the following:
This is to Mike: It sure is scary that some people are taught not to think. IN GOD'S ORGANIZATION, NO ONE IS TAUGHT NOT TO THINK, EVER.
Please try. To be saved a person must AGREE with governing body THINKING
THAT STATEMENT IS COMPLETELY FALSE AND NOT SCRIPTURAL. NOWHERE IN THE SCRIPTURES DOES IT SAY THAT WE MUST AGREE WITH THE GOVERNING BODY TO BE SAVED. IT DOES SAY THAT WE MUST AGREE WITH WHAT GOD TEACHES, AND DO HIS WILL TO SURVIVE.
, this is according to governing body teaching. THIS IS NOT ACCORDING TO GOVERNING BODY TEACHING.
Why not show us in the Bible where it says agreement is what saves a person? I think Jesus Christ is the power to unite all people despite their differences.
JESUS HELPS TO UNITE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN HIM AND HIS FATHER, AND WHAT THEY TEACH. BELIEVE ALL OF WHAT THEY TEACH, NOT PICK AND CHOOSE AS YOU, AND THE WOMAN YOU MENTIONED ARE DOING. YOUR ARGUMENT IS WITH GOD, NOT WITH THE GOVERNING BODY. SO YOU DISAGREE WITH GOD, THAT'S YOUR BUSINESS, BUT THE CONSEQUENCES ARE YOURS ALSO. REALIZE THAT. (All caps isn't yelling, it's differentiating from your post to my comment.)

 

[savagewind]

The Bible does not say Jesus will return in 1914. It is a governing body interpretation.

 

[MikeSavage]

The Bible does not say Jesus will return in 1914.

It is very clear that he did. It says clearly that 2520 years after the temple destruction, he returns. It says when the temple destruction occurred. 2520 years after that date is 1914. It says that when Jesus destroys all Earthly governments, only the Father knows, not even the son. We don't know exactly when the final battle happens. But we do know when Jesus ascended to his throne in the Kingdom. Pretty clearly at that. Maybe if you studied the scriptures more in depth you can see it as well.

 

[savagewind]

Jesus' ascended to Jehovah was 40 days after his resurrection. But you are reading the Bible the way the governing body tell you to.

 

[savagewind]

Seeing that a person's life depends on believing in Jesus' ascension in 1914 you should be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt Jerusalem fell in 607. Can you do that?