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does god know what will happen before it happens
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Monk Of Reason
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If he is the crafter and creator of the universe as well as being able to see what will happen then it is only logical to assume that he is directly responsible for all that does happen. In a way I don't see how free will can exist if we have a god that is all powerful and created everything with the power to see the future.
johnhanks
Well-Known Member
Why is this in the Evolution vs Creationism section?
QuietRain100
Member
There are several schools of thought on this
1. God deliberately refuses to let himself know the future....want deity would condem himself to such a boring existence. And therefore gets to "react to it". God apparently does change his mind aobut things..the most famous..deciding to send the flood the world as a perfect example of this theory.
2. Free will exists, and God interjects himself based on prayer, and and individual acton. That the future is very much in flux. Person A wishes to kill (free will) person B, but God doesn't want person B dead yet..so he interjects his will, and person A is stopped one way or the other.
3. God who is outside of time, says for instrance, Person A has not read Leaves of Grass, and goes back "dictates"..person A will read Leaves of Grass, summer of 2013. Thus free will plus influences of key moments by God. The best of both worlds?
4. God created the atoms which compose your very substance, and they function under very specfic laws, and thus added with sensory experience literally set the person on a set track, in which free will plays no role at all.
are just some of the ways, philosophers deal with the whole free will thing..though like discussion on time travel one always ends back where you started.
1. God deliberately refuses to let himself know the future....want deity would condem himself to such a boring existence. And therefore gets to "react to it". God apparently does change his mind aobut things..the most famous..deciding to send the flood the world as a perfect example of this theory.
2. Free will exists, and God interjects himself based on prayer, and and individual acton. That the future is very much in flux. Person A wishes to kill (free will) person B, but God doesn't want person B dead yet..so he interjects his will, and person A is stopped one way or the other.
3. God who is outside of time, says for instrance, Person A has not read Leaves of Grass, and goes back "dictates"..person A will read Leaves of Grass, summer of 2013. Thus free will plus influences of key moments by God. The best of both worlds?
4. God created the atoms which compose your very substance, and they function under very specfic laws, and thus added with sensory experience literally set the person on a set track, in which free will plays no role at all.
are just some of the ways, philosophers deal with the whole free will thing..though like discussion on time travel one always ends back where you started.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Or maybe the arrow of time is an illusion and future events can bleed through backwards to our time and that's why some prophets could see the future?
The world is after all a very strange place.
QuietRain100
Member
Or maybe the arrow of time is an illusion and future events can bleed through backwards to our time and that's why some prophets could see the future?
This would explain much...a kind of "picking" up future events on a grand scale.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Right. Essentially backwards memories.
Ultimately, God knows what will happen before it happens. The entire universe is like a drama/play he created with a thought.
QuietRain100
Member
exactly!!
psychoslice
Veteran Member
When we say HE, what is meant by HE?
With enough processing power the universe could predict everything from the first cause and the domino effect that follows. However it is an unfathomable amount of matter and energy to have to predict. We'd have trouble predicting the first 3 seconds let alone trying to predict what would happen in a 14 billion year span.
Ouroboros
Coincidentia oppositorum
Or the Universe is that computer to simulate/emulate such a universe to see what the ultimate outcomes are...
