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Does God still regret us?

Shem Ben Noah

INACTIVE
That time? So you're not asking whether or not God currently still regret creating humans?

Yes, I am asking about if he regrets making us still.

My point was, I don't think that regret ended after the flood. We see him tell Noah that he won't wipe out the animals again, but that's all. If Abraham was not around, the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah would have been for all of humanity, according to some opinions.

Do you believe God is omniscience and before he start create humans he already know that in the future he'll regret for creating humans?

I think the whole point of free will is that he does not know how humans will turn out. He knows every conceivable outcome, but not which path humans will take. Otherwise, why bother? If all he wanted was robots, he could just have stopped with the angels.

Does he regret the whole experiment?
 

Shem Ben Noah

INACTIVE
My question would be why god would need to keep starting over. Sounds silly after awhile. He should have killed Noah as well and started completely over.

Actually, according to some this is the seventh time he has created the universe.

Maybe next time he won't base his humans on goddam monkeys. Pick something less evil.

I guess according to his own rules, that Noah existed meant he couldn't 'reset'.
 

Shem Ben Noah

INACTIVE
I thought all the disasters and tribulations that happen on earth were known to The Creator before they happened. Millions of years before we even were created.

Then we are robots, nothing but wind-up toys, and why bother?

All possible outcomes are known, this is true. Which out the infinite possibilities will occur, perhaps he does not know. I'd imagine knowing the whole thing would be the ultimate boredom.
 

ronandcarol

Member
Premium Member
Does God still regret us?
I try to focus my mind on other things that God has said about us;
He wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
"For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies," declares the Lord GOD. "Therefore, repent and live."
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men.
ronandcarol
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Does God still regret us?
I try to focus my mind on other things that God has said about us;

Of course you do, because almost all Christians cherry pick the Bible: focusing on what suits their needs and disregarding what doesn't. In Isaiah 45:7 god tells us he creates evil. Hardly a nice thing to do or something in keeping with the Christian concept of a loving god, so they ignore it in favor of stuff like, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
Their choice of course, and quite understandable, but hardly admirable.

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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
He should have started over, though. I'm sure god isn't limited to the words in a book. I'm sure he can rewrite the book, right?

To me, since the Bible claims that God is its Author at 2 Timothy 3:16-17 then God could Not go back on His Word.
If God started over, how would anyone know if the make-over would have been different from the first pair.
Besides, it was the challenge presented in Eden about God's rulership or way of governing.
By Adam breaking the Law, then Adam, in effect, took the Law out of God's hands and placed the Law into his hands.
Adam placed the Law into man's hands, so Adam set up People Rule as being superior to God Rule.
Only the passing of time could answer that challenge. Human history has proven man can't establish Peace on Earth.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Does God still regret us?
I try to focus my mind on other things that God has said about us;
He wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
"For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies," declares the Lord GOD. "Therefore, repent and live."
For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him.
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men.
ronandcarol

Salvation to ALL who ' repent ' so as Not to 'perish' (be destroyed) as the wicked will be destroyed - Psalms 92:7.
That is why Jesus' ransom covers " MANY " according to Matthew 20:28, and does Not say everyone.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
To me, since the Bible claims that God is its Author at 2 Timothy 3:16-17 then God could Not go back on His Word.
If God started over, how would anyone know if the make-over would have been different from the first pair.
Besides, it was the challenge presented in Eden about God's rulership or way of governing.
By Adam breaking the Law, then Adam, in effect, took the Law out of God's hands and placed the Law into his hands.
Adam placed the Law into man's hands, so Adam set up People Rule as being superior to God Rule.
Only the passing of time could answer that challenge. Human history has proven man can't establish Peace on Earth.

I see what you're saying. Though, I find it limiting god when the book has more authority to define god's plan rather than the other way around. If he can't rewrite the book, he can't be god.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I see what you're saying. Though, I find it limiting god when the book has more authority to define god's plan rather than the other way around. If he can't rewrite the book, he can't be god.

Sure, to me, God can re-write the Book, but there is absolutely No reason to re-write the Book.
The issue of Sovereignty ( whose governing is best ) would Not rightly be settled by a re-write.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Sure, to me, God can re-write the Book, but there is absolutely No reason to re-write the Book.
The issue of Sovereignty ( whose governing is best ) would Not rightly be settled by a re-write.

If god found a reason, wouldn't his reason be just regardless of what believer feel about it?
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
If god found a reason, wouldn't his reason be just regardless of what believer feel about it?

To me, it is more than what believers on Earth feel, but stepping back to see the BIG picture which includes the created 'angels' in heaven seeing the issues unfold. Would God be proven that his way of governing is right.
Mankind's long history has now proven man can not successfully govern himself with out God's Golden Rule direction.
I find the passing of time settles the issues raised in Eden, and in the future No one can rightly say that man can successfully direct himself without God's guidance. To me the words of Jeremiah prove true at Jeremiah 10:23; 17:9
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
So what stories are to be taken literally and which are not? And what is the criterion for judging?
Non-violence is the theme. That is the place to start, but I have been thinking about your question and want to give a little bit longer answer, because I know you are a thinker. You are good at raising difficult questions. Its a talent.

You and I are the result I think of an imbalance. We grew up in a culture that was out of balance and are a reaction to that imbalance, sort of like what happens in chemistry with a buffer solution or in other natural processes. Sometimes I criticize your approach to Bible criticism, not because I think you have no complaint but because I think you tend to cut the worm in half. That just creates two worms. You fight for truth, and while truth cuts it does not effect change when it enters the ear. It has to enter the will. What I think happens when you embrace the literalist approach to the Bible attempting to draw contradictions is you chop the worm. The fear of change and the fundamentalist assumptions remain, and you may even reinforce them.

What guidelines you asked me should we use to determine what is literal and what isn't in Bible stories. First of all, you and I are reading someone else's mail when we read the Bible. We are peeking into another person's house through a cracked door. Is it written to us and with us in mind -- no not at all. Its written to people following a peculiar way of life who have their own nadsat, and they have no responsibility to explain their business to us. Yes, its translated into English and sold on shelves, but its still not written to us, with us in mind. Its got no index, no explanations in itself, and it is unapologetically not for you and I. We are therefore put into the difficult position of being outsiders. Therefore there are no guidelines except not to make assumptions. Think of it as listening to one half of a phone conversation while standing in an elevator.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
If god found a reason, wouldn't his reason be just regardless of what believer feel about it?

God, to me, did find a reason Not to re-write, such as Satan's challenge to us, found at Job 2:4-5, that to touch our ' flesh' (loose physical health) and we would Not serve God. Only the passing of time would answer that challenge.
 

Pudding

Well-Known Member
Yes, I am asking about if he regrets making us still.

My point was, I don't think that regret ended after the flood. We see him tell Noah that he won't wipe out the animals again, but that's all. If Abraham was not around, the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah would have been for all of humanity, according to some opinions.
If God currently still regret making humans, therefor...? What message you wish to convey with the statement that if God currently still regret making humans?

I think the whole point of free will is that he does not know how humans will turn out. He knows every conceivable outcome, but not which path humans will take. Otherwise, why bother? If all he wanted was robots, he could just have stopped with the angels.

Does he regret the whole experiment?
According to scripture he does say he regret.

I'm not sure how your statement answer my questions.

Do you believe God is omniscience? Yes or no?

Please explain your complete definition for 'omniscience'.

Do you believe before God start create humans he already know that in the future he'll regret for creating humans? Yes or no?
 

Pudding

Well-Known Member
Maybe next time he won't base his humans on goddam monkeys. Pick something less evil.
According to scripture God created humans in his own image.

Genesis 1:27 (kjv) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
God, to me, did find a reason Not to re-write, such as Satan's challenge to us, found at Job 2:4-5, that to touch our ' flesh' (loose physical health) and we would Not serve God. Only the passing of time would answer that challenge.

If god is, well, god then he should not need the bible to quote his words. I mean, without the bible would got communicate this same information to you?

If yes, how?

If not, Id rethink how you view the bible?
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
Non-violence is the theme. That is the place to start, but I have been thinking about your question and want to give a little bit longer answer, because I know you are a thinker. You are good at raising difficult questions. Its a talent.

You and I are the result I think of an imbalance. We grew up in a culture that was out of balance and are a reaction to that imbalance, sort of like what happens in chemistry with a buffer solution or in other natural processes. Sometimes I criticize your approach to Bible criticism, not because I think you have no complaint but because I think you tend to cut the worm in half. That just creates two worms. You fight for truth, and while truth cuts it does not effect change when it enters the ear. It has to enter the will. What I think happens when you embrace the literalist approach to the Bible attempting to draw contradictions is you chop the worm.
Well, heh, heh, I don't embrace it at all, no more than I would be embracing communism if I talked about it. We can talk about both without agreeing with them can't we.
Now, you said people shouldn't take the story (singular) literally, indicating there are other stories we should take literally, and I only asked how one distinguishes between those that are to be taken literally and those that are not. So let's stick to the issue. Okay?

What guidelines you asked me should we use to determine what is literal and what isn't in Bible stories. First of all, you and I are reading someone else's mail when we read the Bible. We are peeking into another person's house through a cracked door. Is it written to us and with us in mind -- no not at all. Its written to people following a peculiar way of life who have their own nadsat, and they have no responsibility to explain their business to us. Yes, its translated into English and sold on shelves, but its still not written to us, with us in mind. Its got no index, no explanations in itself, and it is unapologetically not for you and I. We are therefore put into the difficult position of being outsiders. Therefore there are no guidelines except not to make assumptions. Think of it as listening to one half of a phone conversation while standing in an elevator.
Nice tap dancing.
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So, lacking a direct answer to a very simple question I'm just going to assume you decided we shouldn't take that particular story literally because it's simply too troublesome to deal with. A matter of: "Just label it Non-Literally-Irrelevant so we can put it out of sight and out of mind."

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