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Does god want to be famous?

Heneni

Miss Independent
We see in scripture that god does things ''for His name's sake''. God delights to have his name known. The first part of the Lord's prayer is ''Our father which art in heaven HALLOWED be thy name''.

Fame would mean well-known name. So why is god so admamant to be famous? God's commitment to his name produce commitment to his people.

''For the Lord will not cast away his people, for his great name's sake, because it has pleased the Lord to make you a people for himself'' Samuel 2:22

The glory of god goes pretty much unnoticed in this world today, unless thorugh his people (not talking about the natural creation) his reputation, fame and renown is made known. Christianity is the brand of god.

Now I'm pretty sure people will think that god was not to smart to choose them chirstians, or them isrealites they are not doing a good job at not profaning the name of god. And therein lies the paradox, that god chooses the most unlikely people,not wise, not of noble birth, the nobodies basically to make a name for himself.

We see in the OT, that god chose the isrealites precisely for this reason. To make a name for himself. But alas it seemed to have backfired:

Jeremiah 13:11 For as the waistcloth clings to the loins of a man, so I made the whole house of israel and the whole house of judah cling to me, says the lord, that they might be for me a people, a name, a praise, and a glory, BUT THEY WOULD NOT LISTEN.

Sooooooo, is god not thinking straight? Well god doesnt exclusively have to use the chosen and called and elect to make a name for himself. Look at Pharaoh, bless him.

In romans 9:17 we read ''But for this purpose I have caused you to stand to show you my power, so that my name may be declared throughout all the earth''

And did it work? Look at what rahab the harlot says: ''We have heard how the Lord dried up the water of the red sea before you when you came out of egypt...the lord your god is he who is god in heaven above and on earth beneath''

Joshua knew that god does everything for his name sake and he used that reasoning with god when he said:

''O Lord, what can I say, when israel has turned their backs before their enemies! For the canaanites and all the inhabitants of the land will hear of it, and will surround us, and cut off our name from the earth; and WHAT WILL YOU DO FOR YOUR GREAT NAME?''

LOL...he uses gods own desire to have a name to ask for help in time of trouble.

Anyway we know that the isrealites eventually went into captivity, into babylon. So did god give up on his desire to make a name for himself through his people. Here his people are in captivity. The other people must have wondered what kind of god these jews have that cant even save them from exile!

But god had not given up on making a name for himself. He says in Ezekiel 36:

''Thus says the lord your god, it is not for your sake, o house of israel,that i am about to act, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned amongst the nations to which you came. And I WILL vindicate the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among them''

And then....comes jesus. Who said: ''I have made your name known''. He said just before he was crucified ''Now is my soul troubled. And what shall I say? Father save me from this hour?. No for this purpose I have come to this hour. Father, glorify you name!''

Jesus was perfect to vindicate the name of god that the isrealites had profaned. And he did that.

So did god learn his lesson? Jesus came to make a name for god again, but then god chose the gentiles and appointed them for salvation, and so....here we go again. Christians profaning the name of god!

Its a good thing god is patient!

This time around god did not choose a nation like isreal, which he basically had to birth into existance. He chose another kind of people, those who he would give rebirth. Born of god. Born again. This group of people are hidden in his son. And since his son glorified his father, so would all those who are placed in his son. What kind of people did god choose to make a name for himself. The lowly nobodies of this world.

And so we see that the gentiles are now gods chosen instrument to make a name for himself. This time gods name will be made famous not by people who are not transformed from the inside out, but those who are. First clean the inside of the cup, that the outside might be clean.

Now i know that there are many christians who profess to be christians, but it really is only the people who have been put IN christ who has the transforming power of god in them, to make a name for god. We are the reflection of gods glory on this earth, and since he is committed to his name , he is absolutely committed to his children. Those who have been chosen to conform into the image of his son, who made a name for god, will be successfully transformed from one degree to antother, to show forth gods glory in greater degree and make a name for him. God will not fail in this regard.

Why? Because he does all that he does for his name's sake.

And what about the jews, have they been utterly disposed of for making a name for god? No god will graft them back into jesus, and they too will bring honour to his name.

And what about the rest............ well, pharoah made a name for god. It seems like god is going to make a name for himself any which way you look at it!

His glory shall be known ALL over the earth. It will happen, for HIS name sake.

So, why do you think god wants to make a name for himself?

Heneni
 

Delilah Roo

Member
I look at the bible like it is mythology, other wize it would make me crazy. I see the charecter of God as being very self centered and wanting everyone to like him. He is the mean popular girl to runs the click. One day he likes you and is nice the other he is playing mind games with you. I still feel bad for Job.
Look at the ten comandmants, thouh shalt have no other god before me, it sounds like a jealous boyfriend tell his girlfriend he better not catch her f---ing around on him.
So, to sum up some sort of a point in this ramble, god does just wanna be famous. And I guess he is.
--Miss DelilahRoo
 

Heneni

Miss Independent

LOL. We are not talking about hollywood fame her tweetie. The people can make or break you. You dont imagine god is going to fade into oblivion if nobody likes him do ya?

Beside humans can be famous for all the wrong reasons. And then there are people who really should have a well-known name but dont.

Cant think of god as wanting to be famous cause he feels he needs it to be worth something.

Any other ideas?:angel2:
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
I look at the bible like it is mythology, other wize it would make me crazy. I see the charecter of God as being very self centered and wanting everyone to like him. He is the mean popular girl to runs the click. One day he likes you and is nice the other he is playing mind games with you. I still feel bad for Job.
Look at the ten comandmants, thouh shalt have no other god before me, it sounds like a jealous boyfriend tell his girlfriend he better not catch her f---ing around on him.
So, to sum up some sort of a point in this ramble, god does just wanna be famous. And I guess he is.
--Miss DelilahRoo

Since god is a myth to you, i suppose this thread is not for you. but he sure is a pretty well known 'myth' HEHE.....

Heneni
 

Delilah Roo

Member
Yah it is ok. my point was not whether god exists or not. But the way he acts. (I have only read old teastament) Personally I see a lot of human charecteristics in god, and would think he wants to be famous for the same reason we all do. Famous, maybe not the right world. BUt admired or respected.
No offence taken or meant.
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
God is a jelous person.

He hates it if you idolize something else..

I think that is pretty clear.He wants LOTS of attention.

Love

Dallas
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Yah it is ok. my point was not whether god exists or not. But the way he acts. (I have only read old teastament) Personally I see a lot of human charecteristics in god, and would think he wants to be famous for the same reason we all do. Famous, maybe not the right world. BUt admired or respected.
No offence taken or meant.

Cool.

You must know the OT account of the red sea splitting and the ten plagues etc. The egyptians had their own gods, very well known among their region. But for 400 years the isrealies were in captivity in the egyptian empire and their own god seemed to have faded into ablivion. And then along comes their god and makes a spectacular name for himself in and amongst the egyptians. He made such an entrance that his name was known not only in egypt but much further than that.

In the olden days, talking about the egyptians and the romans and the greek, they all had their own 'gods' and they very much felt that their triumph especially when it came to matters of war, or fertility, or their bounty or their success, was largely due to their gods smiling upon them, and they did all that they could to appease their gods to get their favour. But the isrealites didnt do anything of particular intersest to spur god on to make such a grand return to his people. He just did it for his own names sake. No other gods that i knew of did things for the sake of their own name, they did it because the folk had sacrificed enough stuff or worshipped them enough.

We see that god made a name for himself despite the isrealites cold heartedness toward him, something that the other 'gods' would not have done.

many blessings
heneni
 

CarlinKnew

Well-Known Member
Any animal's desire to be of high social status serves the purpose of increasing its statistical probability of survival and reproduction. I can only imagine it's the same for god: he wants to **** the most attractive females and form social contracts with the most competent males.
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Any animal's desire to be of high social status serves the purpose of increasing its statistical probability of survival and reproduction. I can only imagine it's the same for god: he wants to **** the most attractive females and form social contracts with the most competent males.

:faint: Over active imagination me thinks. I bet you didnt read to OP through.

Heneni.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I would say that god uses man to make known his name but not to give him a name. :p

Do you not think that it would be slightly insolent for mere man to place words in gods mouth and to portray god in their own image?
Why would a god need a name or give itself any particular name? It's an obvious example of man trying to anthropomorphise the notion of a supreme being.
 

Heneni

Miss Independent
Do you not think that it would be slightly insolent for mere man to place words in gods mouth and to portray god in their own image?
Why would a god need a name or give itself any particular name? It's an obvious example of man trying to anthropomorphise the notion of a supreme being.

God already has a name, a well know name is what he is after.

I think he has pretty much succeeded in that regard wont you say? How many people on this earth do you think does not know about the christian god?

Man are instrinsically self-centred. They would not want to make a well known name for god at the expense of loosing their own.

And so we see that all through history the people who were the most effective at making the name of god well-known were the people who in the end was considered to be the scum of the earth, worhty of death and destruction. They would not have been effective in making a well known name for god, unless they were willing to have no name for themselves.

As paul said ''he must increase and I must decrease''.

So to say that man has come up with this concept of god and then to say that they, out of the goodness of their heart, go ahead and makes his name well-known is hopefull thinking. Man are too self-centred for that. So if man came up with the idea of god, thats one thing, but all man would like to have their own name known, and not be willing to be counted as the scum of the earth for the sake of the well-known name of god. So therefore man did not invent god. If they did, he would soon loose his fame, so that theirs could be secured.

For example:We came up with cinderella. Now soon after cinderella was invented, how long will cinderella last if it meant having your head chopped off for her?

Or if justin timberlake can only have a well known name if all his fans were counted as the scum of the earth, how long will justin last?

If we invented cinderella we will quickly uninvent her if it meant loosing your head. Nobody is willing to make a well-known name for something that does not exist if it meant you would have to loose a great deal because of it. So you still think the christian god is a man made invention? Men are way to self-centred to make god famous. Especially since you cant see him right now. Justin you can see, swoon about him, go watch his shows. People (some) get a huge kick out of justin and therefore get plenty of incentive to make his name well-known. But when justin says...suffer for my name....well....i think justin will be just about history soon after.

Heneni
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
By claiming god is after fame and praise, then you suggest that his ego is as frail as man's. It's a weakness to need constant reassurance. Why would a supreme being lower himself to the level of human pettiness to be a drama queen and an attention whore for no apparent reason?

Of course no one would lose their head over Cinderella or Justin Timberlake because people are fully aware that one is a fictional character and the other is a talentless hack and mere mortal.

But people are willing die for something that they believe is real, even though in actuality it is not. Consider Muslim suicide bombers, for example. If they're willing to die for their beliefs, by your logic that means they're real. So why aren't you converting to islam, wearing a hajib and kneeling towards mecca yet? Also, what about the countless other, non-Abrahamic gods who's names are known? The Norse gods, the Hindu gods, the Celtic gods, the ancient Egyptian gods, the Greek and Roman gods, etc, etc? Are you saying that all gods who have been or are still worshiped by man, and who man has killed and died for must be real? What makes your god any more real than the next god? Absolutely nothing, that's what.
 
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