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Does Karmyog Exclude Surrender of Adharmic Action

Satyamavejayanti

Satyamavejayanti

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"RoaringSilence, post: 4769705, member: 59968"]Namstey ^^
Surrendering the action means you think of god before /while you do the action , when you eat you say in your heart -i surrender this act to you or you say I am not the doer , you are.
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Namaste,

I tend to not agree with this description, the OP was about Adharmic karma specifically. If we take surrender to mean that Krishna as doer then i can smoke/have sex/do drugs/rape/murder/go to toilet/eat meat and claim Krishna as the doer? is this Dharmah? is this NishKama Dharmah? I dont think this is the idea of it.

That is why i think that when we surrender our Adharmic Karm it means we are no longer the doer of that Adharmah, or we dont do that actual act, in other words we quit smoking, and not simply believing we are not the doer of the Karma while still engaged in the Karma or in other word simply saying that i am not the smoker while sucking on cigarette.

Hope this make sense.

Dhanyavad
 
RoaringSilence

RoaringSilence

Active Member
Satyamavejayanti said:
Namaste,

I tend to not agree with this description, the OP was about Adharmic karma specifically. If we take surrender to mean that Krishna as doer then i can smoke/have sex/do drugs/rape/murder/go to toilet/eat meat and claim Krishna as the doer? is this Dharmah? is this NishKama Dharmah? I dont think this is the idea of it.

That is why i think that when we surrender our Adharmic Karm it means we are no longer the doer of that Adharmah, or we dont do that actual act, in other words we quit smoking, and not simply believing we are not the doer of the Karma while still engaged in the Karma or in other word simply saying that i am not the smoker while sucking on cigarette.

Hope this make sense.

Dhanyavad
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You are a soul , god is super soul. truth is no one does anything. its maya's act. but to rid off karm you must sacrifice all action to him. As far as doing ill karma is concerned , if from within you get a desire you submit that desire to god too. if you get a random bad thought , say god i submit this bad desire to you as well. when you get a good thought you do same. IF YOUR body does bad karma it will pay the price too. So you submit the bad karma and you submit the result of it too. If you steal , you submit that action , if you get punished you submit that result too. What you choose to do will automatically fall in line. Submitting bad action doesn't mean you will not get a bad result back .But the instruction is clear = submit ALL ACTION. SUBMIT all desire , submit all thought. Of course that inst easy but when you practice THE ONLY THOUGHT LEFT IN YOUR HEAD WILL BE TERA TERA TERA TU TU TU , YOUR (god's) YOUR YOURS YOU(god) YOU YOU . so no desire , no action , no thought. = mukti. Good desire good thought good action = GOOD REWARD but not mukti.
 
RoaringSilence

RoaringSilence

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RoaringSilence said:
You are a soul , god is super soul. truth is no one does anything. its maya's act. but to rid off karm you must sacrifice all action to him. As far as doing ill karma is concerned , if from within you get a desire you submit that desire to god too. if you get a random bad thought , say god i submit this bad desire to you as well. when you get a good thought you do same. IF YOUR body does bad karma it will pay the price too. So you submit the bad karma and you submit the result of it too. If you steal , you submit that action , if you get punished you submit that result too. What you choose to do will automatically fall in line. Submitting bad action doesn't mean you will not get a bad result back .But the instruction is clear = submit ALL ACTION. SUBMIT all desire , submit all thought. Of course that inst easy but when you practice THE ONLY THOUGHT LEFT IN YOUR HEAD WILL BE TERA TERA TERA TU TU TU , YOUR (god's) YOUR YOURS YOU(god) YOU YOU . so no desire , no action , no thought. = mukti. Good desire good thought good action = GOOD REWARD but not mukti.
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You can follow a prescribed path by an expert if you disagree with this one. But if you have read what i wrote, and next time you read any religious text , what i said will make sense to you slowly.
1) First of don't force yourself to rid the ill that pops randomly in your head,If you force and purge the bad thoughts will grow , BUT IF YOU SUBMIT THEM to lord ... then those bad thoughts Diminish . THAT IS How you self baptize your soul , by submitting bad thoughts for god to neutralize them for you. And you do same with good thoughts .
2) If you are already trapped in ill actions ..you can continue to submit them along with the fruit of that action. Slowly the Rasa ( the juice/ the taste) will dry out and you will feel quenched , without need arising again and again.
3) If the Degree of ill action is too intense then again you CAN submit them...however the result will still be intense .If you Murder someone and submit the action, and then get HUNG /electric chair/ Life imprisoned as reward or die. BUT Submit action regardless.

moral of the story : Most important thing is to submit the action and its fruit. What nature of deeds you choose will carry the rewards in the law of society / maya / worldly , if you do good and submit ..good will come back and you will be at ease with less struggle. If you do bad and submit , you will get bad rewards , And you will struggle and get pain.. just don't forget to submit :).
 
RoaringSilence

RoaringSilence

Active Member
Satyamavejayanti said:
Namaste,

I tend to not agree with this description, the OP was about Adharmic karma specifically. If we take surrender to mean that Krishna as doer then i can smoke/have sex/do drugs/rape/murder/go to toilet/eat meat and claim Krishna as the doer? is this Dharmah? is this NishKama Dharmah? I dont think this is the idea of it.

That is why i think that when we surrender our Adharmic Karm it means we are no longer the doer of that Adharmah, or we dont do that actual act, in other words we quit smoking, and not simply believing we are not the doer of the Karma while still engaged in the Karma or in other word simply saying that i am not the smoker while sucking on cigarette.

Hope this make sense.

Dhanyavad
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I forgot to say namastey in last 2 posts :) .. anyway i wanna explain this with an example..

Maya= illusion ? Body= like a vehicle (temp) ?, and you are soul.
Now imagine yourself playing a game ... you play the game so much that you forget you are a gamer but you assume the falsehood and think you are the character in the game. When you jump off a cliff in game , you feel ticklish in real.. when you get hit you start feeling pain coz you are under illusion. Now maya is a super Intense illusion. the only way to wake up is to Self affirm the truth over and over. I.e. I am not the doer , the body. These thoughts are fake , induced. or born out of my assumption of maya being real.
Another deeper truth is The real rider of action ( The KARTA PURAK ) =god. The real owner of everything in the software of maya belongs to GOD. so give it back to him and wipe your hands out of the matrix to awaken yourself.

Im a layman. im not an expert . this is my personal opinion. So please don't confuse yourself if you already have your way settled :)

Dhanyavad
 
Satyamavejayanti

Satyamavejayanti

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RoaringSilence said:
You are a soul , god is super soul. truth is no one does anything. its maya's act.
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Namaste,

I agree with the Inns and Outs of karma and all that you have stated, i have no problem with that outlook, but as I said previously i think that to me surrender of Adharmic Karm is to stop the Karm. I have no problem with your outlook, as long as you dont have any with mine, Freedom is after all Hinduisms greatest strength.

Dhanyavad
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
RoaringSilence said:
You are a soul, god is super soul. truth is no one does anything. its maya's act. but to rid off karm you must sacrifice all action to him.
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Various takes. For an 'advaitist' like me, I am none other than Supersoul. I try do what is appropriate at this level of reality (Vyavaharika Satya), at the level of Paramarthika Satya, I am doing nothing. It is all but 'maya'.
 
RoaringSilence

RoaringSilence

Active Member
Aupmanyav said:
Various takes. For an 'advaitist' like me, I am none other than Supersoul. I try do what is appropriate at this level of reality (Vyavaharika Satya), at the level of Paramarthika Satya, I am doing nothing. It is all but 'maya'.
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i personally find duality useful to hang on to :) just hate being alone is all :D
 
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