PureX
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The right-wingnuts are the only people harping on about it. Mostly because it only exists in their twisted hyper-antagonistic perception of reality.
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Does Political Correctness stifle satire?
- Thread starter Estro Felino
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Yeah those people are annoying, tbh
I think those types of people have always existed though.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Then why do I have run ins with people who tell me I must not use this, or I can't say that, and they totally ignore context? Why is there a such thing as the Twitter mob? Why and how then are there Leftist who are opposed to free speech and resort to stifle and silence it?
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
They have, and the Left as a whole must wake and realize they are even a problem over here. These "illiberal liberals" as they are sometimes called. They need reigned in before the Dems end up being the one to produce a "for your protection" dystopian society.
Well I’ll take your word for it. Where I live the word “liberal” means something different entirely.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
It might not be that different, but it's that these pro-censor leftist often consider themselves liberal. But they are nasty in their hate of free speech.
PureX
Veteran Member
It's called free speech.
Maybe? I dunno. They seem sensitive here but they won’t care if someone says something “bad.”
I remember we had Russel Brand on a very left leaning live show once. This was aired in a “PG” time slot and he swore up a storm on camera and everyone just laughed and took another swing of beer. Like who cares?
Neither you nor @SomeRandom told me whether that video is passable or politically incorrect.
I just wanted to know that
PureX
Veteran Member
I didn't watch it. And I don't believe that "political correctness" is even a real phenomenon. I think it's just more hyperbole being spewed by right-wingnut media, and then regurgitated endlessly by the right-wingnuts who buy into it's phony litany of contempt.Neither you nor @SomeRandom told me whether that video is passable or politically incorrect.
I just wanted to know that
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
They have that right, but don't lie or pretend otherwise. They are as opposed to free speech as RW groups such as One Million Moms. They have their right of free speech, but their ideology and rhetoric are anti-free speech.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Then what about a Ricky Gervais joke that was labeled transphobic even though it wasn't? What about Tweets that condemn a British man for quoting Churchill? If it doesn't exist, why are legit criticisms of Islam shut down as "Islamophobic?"
Erebus
Well-Known Member
Well....satire is a Latin word ...something Romans kinda invented
Sometimes, if you find something funny, you feel like wanting to express it to others by parodying a situation or a cultural aspect...for example...languages...
Do you think it is politically correct or fair?
For example...what about a video like this?
The video wasn't to my taste but I didn't get the impression that it was meant to be malicious. It certainly counts as a point in his favour that his own country is among those he makes fun of. I'll echo some of the sentiments already raised in that my major criticism of political correctness is a tendency to overlook context and intent.
It's perhaps worth pointing out though that if freedom of speech is the concern here, you have to keep in mind that this includes the freedom to tell somebody they went too far.
Well...I think self-irony and easy-goingness can help people understand humor and satire even when they dare go a bit too far.
For example some people called this video slightly racist. Do you agree?
I grew up watching R rated movies and around people who encouraged me to insult them for fun. I’m probably not the person to be asking whether or not something passes the “political correctness test” because I’m way too desensitised to understand etiquetteNeither you nor @SomeRandom told me whether that video is passable or politically incorrect.
I just wanted to know that
boundaries.
Erebus
Well-Known Member
It portrays racism but it's the incompetent translator who's the butt of the joke here.
Context and intent are crucial.
I suspect what is actually happening with so called “political correctness” the younger generations are becoming far more aware of social and cultural biases. So they try their best to correct these norms. But being young, it’s easy to miss context and nuance as they are still learning. This causes a backlash from the older generation because they feel threatened and offended that they are being told they are racist/sexist/biased (which is sometimes accurate, sometimes not.)
This in turn causes resentment.
It’s important to remember that a lot of the time these so called “censorship mobs” are often times either online, which is already extreme but also really niche. And that sometimes it’s just a bunch of hippy kids who don’t always realise when they are caught up in the righteous indignation fury.
A joke depends on the intent, delivery and who it’s targeted towards. You can tell a racist joke, as long as people are laughing at the racist, not with them.
Characters like Barney from How I met your mother work because you have the rest of the characters calling out his behaviour as problematic. So you’re clearly not supposed to emulate him, rather you’re supposed to be critical of him. Even if one may find him endearing.
There is more nuance at play than simply being offended. Poor technique is often called out as being in poor taste and offensive, because it often is.
But this is just what I’ve personally observed. I can understand the theory, I just don’t always know when something goes too far. Because like I said, I am desensitised.
This in turn causes resentment.
It’s important to remember that a lot of the time these so called “censorship mobs” are often times either online, which is already extreme but also really niche. And that sometimes it’s just a bunch of hippy kids who don’t always realise when they are caught up in the righteous indignation fury.
A joke depends on the intent, delivery and who it’s targeted towards. You can tell a racist joke, as long as people are laughing at the racist, not with them.
Characters like Barney from How I met your mother work because you have the rest of the characters calling out his behaviour as problematic. So you’re clearly not supposed to emulate him, rather you’re supposed to be critical of him. Even if one may find him endearing.
There is more nuance at play than simply being offended. Poor technique is often called out as being in poor taste and offensive, because it often is.
But this is just what I’ve personally observed. I can understand the theory, I just don’t always know when something goes too far. Because like I said, I am desensitised.
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Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Uh, yeah. Left leaning, uptight, humorless, over sensitive "SJW"s who wish to sanitize speech do indeed exist. They're fringe and don't represent the average liberal, but they're very vocal.
I find it kind of ironic that in the 80s the people who wanted to sanitise everything were vocal conservative Christian soccer mums. Now it’s oversensitive hippie kids. Perhaps in the next generation it will be oversensitive Heathens or Satanists.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
You forgot white and nothing less than a middle class background. Those are pretty important, because they are the ones getting offended on everyone's behalf. Even those who don't agree with them. As well as those who think they are problematic. And they have an excuse for everything, like someone they claim to stand up for telling them to bugger off as being described as "sympathy towards their oppressors." And it's also important, because this is the epicenter of things such as "white guilt" and "all white people are racist." And it's important to continue to fight back against them, because nobody likes them and their Life-destroying and freedom-killing ideology already has too much influence as it is.