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Does Quantum Mechanics Reveal That Life Is But a Dream?

exchemist

Veteran Member
Sure. Given the behaviour of elementary particles can be calculated probabilistically with extraordinary accuracy, then whether wave function, elementary particle, or quantum field, the sub atomic world is clearly governed by precise and immutable natural laws.

But I find the relational interpretation of QM, whereby entities exhibit qualities only through interaction with each other, to have astounding philosophical implications. This, as I understand it, is not to say that there is no discernible form or order to the fabric of the material world - far from it, in fact - but that the nature of reality, and the properties of real things, manifest themselves only in the ever changing, ever restless molecular dance; and that if the music of the spheres should ever stop, then perhaps there would be nothing there at all. If properties have meaning only in interaction, then substance is manifest only in impermanence - which seems to suggest a paradox at the very heart of existence.

I'm not sure about that. If, for the sake of argument, one were to have a single, isolated electron in free space, then one might say it effectively does not exist, since it has no possibility of ever interacting with another entity and thereby manifesting concrete properties. But then, that is as good as not existing, as it has no way to make its presence known, as it were. So what's the difference, in practice, between claiming it does exist or that it doesn't?
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure about that. If, for the sake of argument, one were to have a single, isolated electron in free space, then one might say it effectively does not exist, since it has no possibility of ever interacting with another entity and thereby manifesting concrete properties. But then, that is as good as not existing, as it has no way to make its presence known, as it were. So what's the difference, in practice, between claiming it does exist or that it doesn't?


Ah. Seems like you’ve just presented a cosmological koan there, the subatomic equivalent of one hand clapping. The answer may lie in an observation of Schrodinger’s, that it is sometimes better to think of elementary particles not as physical entities at all, but rather as spontaneous events, or chains of events. Which would appear to lead us on to wave functions, and the extent to which these are real, objective physical fields as opposed perhaps to laws governing particles.
 

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
No I don't. Job is an ancient Jewish book about a real individual as far as we know, and it's definitely not among the prophetic books. It's more like parable, yes, in the style it's written, a story with a moral to it. And Satan is portrayed as a real entity.
People want to view Satan as a singular entity probably because of Hollywood and the human desire to lump all evil into one mass with an appearance they can illustrate as red with horns.

No, just like anyone can be an antichrist because that is a person not believing in a virgin birth of Jesus, anyone can be a Satan. Peter was Satan, a man willing to kill for his religion supporting the traditions of his fathers and so willing to kill people to keep Jesus alive. Peter was Satan until Peter was filled with Holy Spirit of truth from God. Peace is achieved by being peaceful. The Christ, Son of God, is not and never will be a military commander leading an army in war that the sons of Abraham expect as their Christ.

The Son of man is a military commander and is described by Jesus as the prince coming with nothing in him certainly no future, no truth or love of life. He is a son of kings desiring war to rule. He is a liar to get support so people will sacrifice their lives under his commands and he is willing to sacrifice his life to redeem his people coming to minister to the enemy that they are judged unworthy of life. He did not come to be judged unworthy of life. Jesus asks why people call him the Son of man and if Jesus is in their beliefs, what is that ? Jesus praised Peter for understanding the Christ is not a son of David but is the Son of I AM, the Living God..
The command of God is love one another, a new Commandment brought by Jesus to add to the 10 Commandments given to Moses, so that final war never starts. But it will start because sons of Abraham believe their God approves and supports killers that have no love for people that will not support them and their directives.
 

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
Sure. Given the behaviour of elementary particles can be calculated probabilistically with extraordinary accuracy, then whether wave function, elementary particle, or quantum field, the sub atomic world is clearly governed by precise and immutable natural laws.

But I find the relational interpretation of QM, whereby entities exhibit qualities only through interaction with each other, to have astounding philosophical implications. This, as I understand it, is not to say that there is no discernible form or order to the fabric of the material world - far from it, in fact - but that the nature of reality, and the properties of real things, manifest themselves only in the ever changing, ever restless molecular dance; and that if the music of the spheres should ever stop, then perhaps there would be nothing there at all. If properties have meaning only in interaction, then substance is manifest only in impermanence - which seems to suggest a paradox at the very heart of existence.
I enjoyed your post particularly the molecular dance, as vibration and the intensity, ebb and flow of it, manifests reality.on this planet.
This is online to help people understand physics.
"The Law of Vibration might not be as well known as the Law of Attraction. However, the Law of Vibration serves as the foundation for the Law of Attraction.
To understand this it´s important to know that everything is energy. Science, through Quantum Physics, is showing us that everything in our universe is energy.
When we go down on a sub-atomic level we don´t find matter, but pure energy. Some call this The Unified Field or The Matrix. Others talk about pure potentiality - all being energy."
The Law of Vibration states that everything in the Universe moves and vibrates - everything is vibrating at one speed or another. Nothing rests. Everything you see around you is vibrating at one frequency or another, and so are you. However, your frequency is different from other things in the universe and that´s why it seems like you are separated from what you see around you; people, animals, plants, trees etc..
"In truth you are not separated - you are in fact living in an ocean of energy - as we all are. We are all connected at the lowest level - a level professor John Hagelin calls The Unified Field."

Wonder how people that claim to have experienced a past life complete with details of the deceased proven accurate, moves in all this unified field. Can an energy entity called a human in a past time generate itself in the future by their life force energy at death being so strong a vibration traveling in the unified ocean of energy manifesting itself at a new conception in the future and then retain information experienced in time already passed?

Is it that a positive energy moves forward attracted by a future vibrational energy location while a negative energy dissipates at death unable to travel to manifest as a new form anywhere, It could be the past never ceases to exist and we just travel through a massive field of energy that was always there to experience what we call the future that has already happened before we were born.
 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
Theists as human behaviour use the concept to lie.

You are a natural human who can think.

As the obvious biological self being. The human.

Humans own egos that state as I prove I know how to take...first position...to remove. Advised. As I take away from all things.

Behaviour hence says a human is in fact involved in destroying.

So a summation theory was given placating how a human took earths mass built civilization by human family slavery then technology.

In the I took I built I claim dominion.

Dominion over a planet by its substances.

Dominion over family mutually equal.

As we all need human parents to own being.

They are mutual.

They grow old. Once we owned respect for the elders.

It was young men whose changed consciousness took mutual support and natural hierarchy away from natural order.

By group status.

Human behaviour hence said the first cult began. Group agreed bully tactics versus an innocent mind

The themed review why?

The answer star fall burns gas heavens balanced above us and made gases fall that burnt biology into chemical imbalances.

How humans formed cult group dictatorship by authority of self the group that has become an accepted part of human life.

Without an over view you're all just human equal first. One self.

One was hence a human teaching about human behaviour on our one planet.

To falsify information just because you own a group agreement to enforce a teaching.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
People want to view Satan as a singular entity probably because of Hollywood and the human desire to lump all evil into one mass with an appearance they can illustrate as red with horns.
That's how the Bible portrays Satan. Not with horns, but as a real entity. Jesus himself as spoke of Satan as real. And Peter was not Satan, he was speaking something Satan would say.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
That's how the Bible portrays Satan. Not with horns, but as a real entity. Jesus himself as spoke of Satan as no real. And Peter was not Satan, he was speaking something Satan would say.
Satan was portrayed as a human man's agreement. To change the function determined by scientists to be god.

So men humans were given the depiction so you would think upon the symbolism in the sciences.

That if a man wanted to be with Satan and not be with God he wanted to destroy life on God earth.

The justice was only a man babies men teaching.

Notating the teaching said a baby who is a human who grows into adult man is only owner holy life with god terms.

As a human has to thesis all reasons as the human.baby adult only.

The story said we all owned as baby human's the first two human parents. so theists could not argue against our hu man presence as they do.

Human women as human mother's own life of all human babies by a human body owning an ova ovah ovary.

So a man can't thesis science against us.

Holy real mother human. Holy baby man with holy human mother.

Human being human life human body only owns human genesis it was never anywhere else.
 

Martin

Spam, wonderful spam (bloody vikings!)
Sure. Given the behaviour of elementary particles can be calculated probabilistically with extraordinary accuracy, then whether wave function, elementary particle, or quantum field, the sub atomic world is clearly governed by precise and immutable natural laws.

But I find the relational interpretation of QM, whereby entities exhibit qualities only through interaction with each other, to have astounding philosophical implications. This, as I understand it, is not to say that there is no discernible form or order to the fabric of the material world - far from it, in fact - but that the nature of reality, and the properties of real things, manifest themselves only in the ever changing, ever restless molecular dance; and that if the music of the spheres should ever stop, then perhaps there would be nothing there at all. If properties have meaning only in interaction, then substance is manifest only in impermanence - which seems to suggest a paradox at the very heart of existence.

Impermanence and instability are also fundamental properties of existence at the human scale. I do see that as a reflection of what is happening at the sub-atomic scale.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
"Does Quantum Mechanics Reveal That Life Is But a Dream?":
Yeah, East knew it even 3000 years ago (Creation hymns of RigVeda X.129, 130 and others). Greeks knew it.
"In truth you are not separated - you are in fact living in an ocean of energy - as we all are. We are all connected at the lowest level - a level professor John Hagelin calls The Unified Field."
Wonder how people that claim to have experienced a past life complete with ..
You are almost correct, but then jump into mysticism. There is no past or future life other than in chemical recycling.
.. for the sake of argument, one were to have a single, isolated electron in free space, ..
Even an electron is made up of quarks, leptons, gluons, bosons, and what not. You know that better than I do.
 
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Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
That's how the Bible portrays Satan. Not with horns, but as a real entity. Jesus himself as spoke of Satan as real. And Peter was not Satan, he was speaking something Satan would say.
People that believe in false doctrine are real entities thus are Satan that spoke with Jesus. Satan represents both a singular person or a group of people, the defining factor is they believe in religious doctrine that is not true and are willing to kill people to support their religious beliefs. The Hebrew/Jews thought if Jesus would fight for them raising the dead back to life as they fell in battle then Jesus could rule the world and they would follow him giving him the whole world by killing to attain it.
 

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
"Does Quantum Mechanics Reveal That Life Is But a Dream?":
Yeah, East knew it even 3000 years ago (Creation hymns of RigVeda X.129, 130 and others). Greeks knew it.
You are almost correct, but then jump into mysticism. There is no past or future life other than in chemical recycling.Even an electron is made up of quarks, leptons, gluons, bosons, and what not. You know that better than I do.
Prove "There is no past or future life other than in chemical recycling". Everything is not chemical because everything is not matter. The energy that maintains a functional physical body is separate from that physical body that does recycle. Something comprised entirely of energy would not be matter. Thus, it would not be a chemical.. Life is energy not just physical atoms.
 

LegionOnomaMoi

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Sure. Given the behaviour of elementary particles can be calculated probabilistically with extraordinary accuracy, then whether wave function, elementary particle, or quantum field, the sub atomic world is clearly governed by precise and immutable natural laws.
1) We do not have any method for determining which particles are “elementary”. This is part of the reason that different accounts of the standard model of particle physics give different numbers of types of particles (other, related reasons include where one decides to draw the lines when it comes to how many different descriptions of essentially the same entity in the SM Lagrangian to include under one name or under the full set, which in the extreme case would entail counting e.g. the photon twice as the equivalent of the electron vs. positron for the massless interaction boson in QED is the photon vs. photon particle & antiparticle pair).

2) We do not calculate their behavior probabilistically, because unlike in quantum mechanics (where at least we do have a probabilistic description of “physical” systems) the consequences of incorporating relativistic symmetries and spacetime into quantum theory destroys our ability to describe the kinds of entities (those famous wave-like and particle-like systems such as non-relativistic electrons) one has in QM. The relativistic equation for a quantum-mechanical wave function didn’t make sense when Schrödinger first wrote down his equation, which is why he ended up obtaining in the equation which bears his name in the limit of the relativistic one. This equation, rediscovered and now name after its rediscoverers, the Klein-Gordon equation, still doesn’t make sense. So Dirac worked on the problem and obtained his hole theory and the Dirac equation governing its dynamics. It also doesn’t make sense. By “make sense” here I don’t mean it is counter-intuitive or complicated or hard to conceptualize. I mean that it has solutions that physically have no meaning in any physical theory and CANNOT have any meaning without reinterpreting the most basic laws and (already highly abstract) physical quantities of modern physics.

Dirac’s hole theory, however, hit on the “solution” that is today modern particle physics. Simplistically, since we can’t have a relativistic theory of quantum mechanics either by so-called second quantization or by forcing something like the Schrödinger equation to behave under the appropriate symmetries, we reinterpret the basic entities in the theory as well as the very nature of the space(time) in which these entities are supposed to have been described. We take the operators that are supposed to represent physical, measurable quantities in some sense from quantum mechanics and we reinterpret them as being particles. These particles are undetectable by any means. But we force them to behave locally by reinterpreting the “space” in which they are detected in terms of underlying fields which are assumed to exist and we build our theory and our experiments around such sets of assumptions in order to obtain measured values from experiments.

3) One problem with this method reinterpreting equations that don’t make any sense physically by demoting some elements, promoting others, and then ascribing the term “particles” to observables that act locally on regions of spacetime we identify with “fields” is that the field theories are still problematic and incapable of yielding anything other than infinitely wrong predictions. One reason for this is the famous divergences one has whenever one tries to do any calculations in quantum field theory. So, in order to make these fantastically accurate predictions, we make the measurements first. We obtain numbers. We take these numbers and divide up the theoretical entities in the QFTs of particle physics into “bare” particles and “dressed” particles. The rational (put incredibly simplistically) is that, because there is no way to actually isolate any of these particle from their fields (particles are interpreted in terms of detector clicks of what are deemed field excitations), we declare the measured quantities to be of the “dressed” particles, which we treat as something like “bare particle + self-interaction= dressed particle”. Then wrap up certain infinite results and set infinity equal to the measured value we started with. We then try to calculate what are ultimately diverging integrals and so forth using lattice gauge theory or perturbation theory (having already employed some regularization scheme) so that we can extract the “incredibly accurate” predictions which are “measured value we started with + cancelling infinities up to an arbitrary cut-off scale”.

4) Of course, in order to do all of this we also have to postulate into existence several mathematical entities and procedures which may not “exist” in the sense that we have no proof that one can actually formulate the mathematics of the theory as we do as we don’t know that there is any mathematical definition underlying certain mathematical objects used nor whether or not the procedures used are mathematically legitimate.


All this to obtain a procedure that can calculate detector clicks beyond our current ability to probe at those scales so that we can shove most of our ignorance about what is going on down beyond scales we can deal with at all, and as long as we are at it we can reinterpret the whole business in a manner that allows us to deal with theories that are infinitely wrong everywhere (non-renormalizable theories) using the current “effective field theory” approach. Oh, and because we can’t understand even the basics of subatomic processes after all of this without positing the existence of constituent models of e.g., protons and neutrons, we invented a sophisticated (though not fully rigorous) mathematical method of explaining why we haven’t ever observed quarks- confinement and asymptotic freedom force quarks to behave like constituents of e.g., protons right up until we try to force them to behave in a manner that would allow us to detect them, in which case the strength of their interaction force (gluons) forces them to behave as a single entity.

What, precisely, is so “extraordinary” about the predicted accuracy of values we obtained by setting infinity equal to the measured values so that we could calculate higher order corrections by cancelling infinities up to an ignorance parameter, only to have a theory we interpret as fundamentally phenomenological (i.e., as a theory that describes how to predict what detectors will do) up to a scale at which even this fails? How is this “clearly governed by precise and immutable natural laws”?
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Ah. Seems like you’ve just presented a cosmological koan there, the subatomic equivalent of one hand clapping. The answer may lie in an observation of Schrodinger’s, that it is sometimes better to think of elementary particles not as physical entities at all, but rather as spontaneous events, or chains of events. Which would appear to lead us on to wave functions, and the extent to which these are real, objective physical fields as opposed perhaps to laws governing particles.
I did not know Schrödinger said that but it fits with how Heisenberg - and Rovelli - seem to treat the quantum world, the "events" corresponding to interactions.

One thing that puzzled me for a moment was the "spontaneous" processes one encounters in quantum physics, such as nuclear decay or spontaneous (as opposed to stimulated) atomic emission of EM radiation. On reflection, though, I think these occur via interaction with the fluctuations of the vacuum, in which case the problem goes away.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
1) We do not have any method for determining which particles are “elementary”. This is part of the reason that different accounts of the standard model of particle physics give different numbers of types of particles (other, related reasons include where one decides to draw the lines when it comes to how many different descriptions of essentially the same entity in the SM Lagrangian to include under one name or under the full set, which in the extreme case would entail counting e.g. the photon twice as the equivalent of the electron vs. positron for the massless interaction boson in QED is the photon vs. photon particle & antiparticle pair).

2) We do not calculate their behavior probabilistically, because unlike in quantum mechanics (where at least we do have a probabilistic description of “physical” systems) the consequences of incorporating relativistic symmetries and spacetime into quantum theory destroys our ability to describe the kinds of entities (those famous wave-like and particle-like systems such as non-relativistic electrons) one has in QM. The relativistic equation for a quantum-mechanical wave function didn’t make sense when Schrödinger first wrote down his equation, which is why he ended up obtaining in the equation which bears his name in the limit of the relativistic one. This equation, rediscovered and now name after its rediscoverers, the Klein-Gordon equation, still doesn’t make sense. So Dirac worked on the problem and obtained his hole theory and the Dirac equation governing its dynamics. It also doesn’t make sense. By “make sense” here I don’t mean it is counter-intuitive or complicated or hard to conceptualize. I mean that it has solutions that physically have no meaning in any physical theory and CANNOT have any meaning without reinterpreting the most basic laws and (already highly abstract) physical quantities of modern physics.

Dirac’s hole theory, however, hit on the “solution” that is today modern particle physics. Simplistically, since we can’t have a relativistic theory of quantum mechanics either by so-called second quantization or by forcing something like the Schrödinger equation to behave under the appropriate symmetries, we reinterpret the basic entities in the theory as well as the very nature of the space(time) in which these entities are supposed to have been described. We take the operators that are supposed to represent physical, measurable quantities in some sense from quantum mechanics and we reinterpret them as being particles. These particles are undetectable by any means. But we force them to behave locally by reinterpreting the “space” in which they are detected in terms of underlying fields which are assumed to exist and we build our theory and our experiments around such sets of assumptions in order to obtain measured values from experiments.

3) One problem with this method reinterpreting equations that don’t make any sense physically by demoting some elements, promoting others, and then ascribing the term “particles” to observables that act locally on regions of spacetime we identify with “fields” is that the field theories are still problematic and incapable of yielding anything other than infinitely wrong predictions. One reason for this is the famous divergences one has whenever one tries to do any calculations in quantum field theory. So, in order to make these fantastically accurate predictions, we make the measurements first. We obtain numbers. We take these numbers and divide up the theoretical entities in the QFTs of particle physics into “bare” particles and “dressed” particles. The rational (put incredibly simplistically) is that, because there is no way to actually isolate any of these particle from their fields (particles are interpreted in terms of detector clicks of what are deemed field excitations), we declare the measured quantities to be of the “dressed” particles, which we treat as something like “bare particle + self-interaction= dressed particle”. Then wrap up certain infinite results and set infinity equal to the measured value we started with. We then try to calculate what are ultimately diverging integrals and so forth using lattice gauge theory or perturbation theory (having already employed some regularization scheme) so that we can extract the “incredibly accurate” predictions which are “measured value we started with + cancelling infinities up to an arbitrary cut-off scale”.

4) Of course, in order to do all of this we also have to postulate into existence several mathematical entities and procedures which may not “exist” in the sense that we have no proof that one can actually formulate the mathematics of the theory as we do as we don’t know that there is any mathematical definition underlying certain mathematical objects used nor whether or not the procedures used are mathematically legitimate.


All this to obtain a procedure that can calculate detector clicks beyond our current ability to probe at those scales so that we can shove most of our ignorance about what is going on down beyond scales we can deal with at all, and as long as we are at it we can reinterpret the whole business in a manner that allows us to deal with theories that are infinitely wrong everywhere (non-renormalizable theories) using the current “effective field theory” approach. Oh, and because we can’t understand even the basics of subatomic processes after all of this without positing the existence of constituent models of e.g., protons and neutrons, we invented a sophisticated (though not fully rigorous) mathematical method of explaining why we haven’t ever observed quarks- confinement and asymptotic freedom force quarks to behave like constituents of e.g., protons right up until we try to force them to behave in a manner that would allow us to detect them, in which case the strength of their interaction force (gluons) forces them to behave as a single entity.

What, precisely, is so “extraordinary” about the predicted accuracy of values we obtained by setting infinity equal to the measured values so that we could calculate higher order corrections by cancelling infinities up to an ignorance parameter, only to have a theory we interpret as fundamentally phenomenological (i.e., as a theory that describes how to predict what detectors will do) up to a scale at which even this fails? How is this “clearly governed by precise and immutable natural laws”?


Okay then. Once again, all that is solid melts into air. But don’t these mathematical models, however contrived, convoluted or compromised, yield results? Results that have applications in the material world, in the development of new technologies for example? So they must surely be describing, with some degree of precision, something which is real, and something in nature which is deterministic?
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
People that believe in false doctrine are real entities thus are Satan that spoke with Jesus. Satan represents both a singular person or a group of people, the defining factor is they believe in religious doctrine that is not true and are willing to kill people to support their religious beliefs. The Hebrew/Jews thought if Jesus would fight for them raising the dead back to life as they fell in battle then Jesus could rule the world and they would follow him giving him the whole world by killing to attain it.

So your thinking said like today men of science in the past thought they would get eternal power after believing in eternal life. By Jesus.

Yet life unnaturally sacrificed no longer decomposed. Eternal dead human.

Life living saved by ice melt water saviour. Lost its water life mass to heavens clouds to cool volcanic gas dense body. From gods hell. Man's science caused atmosphere attack.

Crops get saved wilt as our life water given by ice saviour is taken also.

Twice as two variables.

Jesus man did not come out of a volcano. So youre thesis proven wrong.

Jesus man image was in clouds not any eternal.

Eternal is eternal it's not in creation. So man did not return to the eternal.

When a human who was the eternal first. The eternal self that was always in the eternal. A human dies. As we became a human.

We still own one eternal spirit that we were separated from. In the eternal after human body death.

If science didn't exist. A man built science by thesis. Thinking therefore is proven wrong. Being what you did.

You thought about what went wrong and told a story.
 

RestlessSoul

Well-Known Member
It also doesn’t make sense. By “make sense” here I don’t mean it is counter-intuitive or complicated or hard to conceptualize. I mean that it has solutions that physically have no meaning in any physical theory and CANNOT have any meaning without reinterpreting the most basic laws and (already highly abstract) physical quantities of modern physics.


Has anyone tried doing this yet? Reimagined the physical world, in the hope perhaps of making a new kind of sense, from out of the impossible?
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
People that believe in false doctrine are real entities thus are Satan that spoke with Jesus. Satan represents both a singular person or a group of people, the defining factor is they believe in religious doctrine that is not true and are willing to kill people to support their religious beliefs. The Hebrew/Jews thought if Jesus would fight for them raising the dead back to life as they fell in battle then Jesus could rule the world and they would follow him giving him the whole world by killing to attain it.
None of that is in the Bible. You are just making stuff up.
 

Triumph

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
None of that is in the Bible. You are just making stuff up.
The only way to understand what it means is to look at every time the word is used, in what context it was used. Think about why it was used. Then rely on what Jesus taught
that "Satan" opposed. Satan wanted to convert Jesus to his way of thinking to join him. People seem to want to make the Bible a fairytale about mythical creatures including talking snakes when it explains in symbolism about realistic concepts about people and their interaction with other people. Snakes and donkeys do not talk, trees do not walk and Satan is used as a descriptive term for humans that will kill other people over religion.

Isaiah 28:9
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk"
That means you must have a mature, analytical mind to understand the symbolism, and
not view scripture as a child that desires fairytales and scary monsters.
 

Wildswanderer

Veteran Member
The only way to understand what it means is to look at every time the word is used, in what context it was used. Think about why it was used. Then rely on what Jesus taught
that "Satan" opposed. Satan wanted to convert Jesus to his way of thinking to join him. People seem to want to make the Bible a fairytale about mythical creatures including talking snakes when it explains in symbolism about realistic concepts about people and their interaction with other people. Snakes and donkeys do not talk, trees do not walk and Satan is used as a descriptive term for humans that will kill other people over religion.

Isaiah 28:9
Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk"
That means you must have a mature, analytical mind to understand the symbolism, and
not view scripture as a child that desires fairytales and scary monsters.
In other words quit believing God does miracles and just reduce everything to what you can see.
 
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