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Does the average Muslim believe that Sharia law is inspired by God?

Spiderman

Veteran Member
What's pitiful is the fact that you provided no evidence for the pathetic attempt at making Islam look evil. Thank you.
Did I say Islam was evil?

I said the actions that I see are evil and I see those atrocities committed in the name of God, whether they are committed by any Religion, but it primarily come from Muslims, at least far far FAR more often in our modern world than from other monotheistic Religions.

There are many things I admire about Islam. Many things!

But I hate crimes against humanity. Especially when done in the name of God!

I have provided you with much of the evidence you asked for and you insist I didn't. There is enormous amounts of evidence. It doesn't take a genius to recognize it.
 
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Spiderman

Veteran Member
I am yet to see the evidence that I asked you for. How pathetic.

Muhammad's commands and lifestyle combined with what is contained in the Koran justifies and advocates all of the atrocities in the OP.

I provided evidence that shows this to be true. Can you provide evidence that suggests otherwise?

And you are calling me pathetic? I think what is pathetic is when people act like all the evidence I presented isn't there and deny historical facts.
 
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Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Muhammad's commands and lifestyle combined with what is contained in the Koran justifies and advocates all of the atrocities in the OP.

I provided evidence that shows this to be true. Can you provide evidence that suggests otherwise?

And you are calling me pathetic? I think what is pathetic is when people act like all the evidence I presented isn't there and deny historical facts.

Did I say Islam was evil?

I said the actions that I see are evil and I see those atrocities committed in the name of God primarily come from Muslims, at least far far FAR more often in our modern world than from other monotheistic Religions.

There are many things I admire about Islam. Many things!

But I hate crimes against humanity. Especially when done in the name of God!

I have provided you with much of the evidence you asked for and you insist I didn't. There is enormous amounts of evidence. It doesn't take a genius to recognize it.

killing those who drink or gamble, the imprisoning or abusing those who don't abide by a religious dress code, and the persecution of those who have a different belief system.

Please show me, if you are truthful, where Islam teaches to kill those who drink or gamble, to abuse those who don't abide by religious dress code and the persecution of those who have a different belief system.

Do not make false accusations and then place the burden on me to provide evidence for the contrary. If you cannot provide evidence then next time when you want to spread your hatred and intolerance choose another way not by making baseless claims.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
killing those who drink or gamble, the imprisoning or abusing those who don't abide by a religious dress code, and the persecution of those who have a different belief system.

Please show me, if you are truthful, where Islam teaches to kill those who drink or gamble, to abuse those who don't abide by religious dress code and the persecution of those who have a different belief system.

Do not make false accusations and then place the burden on me to provide evidence for the contrary. If you cannot provide evidence then next time when you want to spread your hatred and intolerance choose another way not by making baseless claims.
Hello! Are you there?

Did I say in the OP that Islam teaches that?

Do Muslims do that in the name of God? YES! It happens a lot.

Quit claiming I said things I didnt say and then asking me to provide evidence for something I didn't say in the first place.

Did Muhammad order people to be whipped and canned for drinking and gambling...yes he did. Did Muhammad call for the chopping off of hands and the stoning of adulterers? Yes he did. Did Muhammad force his religion on others using military force...YES!

Are people executed in Muslim countries for drinking and gambling. Yes sometimes they are.

Im sorry, I provide evidence for my claims in the OP...they are undeniable! Go read the OP again. There is not ONE SINGLE falsehood in it!
 
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Gharib

I want Khilafah back
Hello! Are you there?

Did I say in the OP that Islam teaches that?

Do Muslims do that in the name of God? YES!

Quit claiming I said things I didnt say and then asking me to provide evidence for something I didn't say in the first place.

Did Muhammad order people to be whipped and canned for drinking and gambling...yes he did. Did Muhammad call for the chopping off of hands and the stoning of adulterers? Yes he did. Did Muhammad force his religion on others using military force...YES!

Are people executed in Muslim countries for drinking and gambling. Yes sometimes they are.

Im sorry, I provide evidence for my claims in the OP...they are undeniable! GO read the OP again. There is not ONE SINGLE falsehood in it!

Yes you said in the OP that Islam teaches that.
"Sharia law promotes these atrocious policies."

You said Islam teaches to kill those who drink and gamble. So where's your evidence, I'm still waiting. Whipping and canning are not the same as killing.

I didn't ask you about the punishments of theft and adultery, I didn't accuse you of having lied in those instances.

And lastly, you said Shariah law promotes persecuting people of other beliefs. Please show me where Islam/Shariah promotes the above mentioned false accusations.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Matthew, can u stop saying "i admire islam". From your attacks, its clearly that you dont admire islam and that you are doing crusade against islam.
I never said "I admire Islam". I said there are many things I admire ABOUT Islam.

I said I have nothing against the five pillars of Islam save for the one that glorifies the prophet Muhammad because he was responsible for the deaths of so many people and the laws and policies he introduced were very harsh and cruel and intolerant of those who disobeyed his views and have lead to much intolerance and violence that continues till this day.
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
See, that type of behavior looks inspired by the Devil

Hello.......
Any communications between cultures and religious groups which produces, tension, contention, conflict, hate etc is inspired by your Devil. :)
We need to do everything possible to communicate and build trust...... that's going to be incredibly hard.

Let's hope that one day we can all live in peace and harmony.... yes?
:)
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Yes you said in the OP that Islam teaches that.
"Sharia law promotes these atrocious policies."

You said Islam teaches to kill those who drink and gamble. So where's your evidence, I'm still waiting. Whipping and canning are not the same as killing.

I didn't ask you about the punishments of theft and adultery, I didn't accuse you of having lied in those instances.

And lastly, you said Shariah law promotes persecuting people of other beliefs. Please show me where Islam/Shariah promotes the above mentioned false accusations.
Saying Sharia promotes those atrocious policies is different than saying those actions are prescribed by sharia. Also, I didn't say Sharia law promotes without exception all of the things mentioned.

Muhammad commanded the whipping and canning of drinkers and gamblers. This promotes violence against people who do this. Sometimes these people are executed , but yes you are right, Islam does not command them to be executed. I said "sometimes killed".

People in Muslim countries are often also killed legally for things they are accused of (like adultery) for which there is no proof of.

When I said Sharia law promotes these atrocities I wasn't saying all of the things I mentioned are contained in Sharia law. But it looks to me like all the things that were mentioned are enforced as law EXCEPT for the execution of drinkers and gamblers and the killing of unbelievers, though those things happen a lot especially in countries where Islamic law is forced. Do a little research about this claim on your own and you will find out it is indisputable.

And no...in the OP I did not say that Islam teaches that!
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Hello.......
Any communications between cultures and religious groups which produces, tension, contention, conflict, hate etc is inspired by your Devil. :)
We need to do everything possible to communicate and build trust...... that's going to be incredibly hard.

Let's hope that one day we can all live in peace and harmony.... yes?
:)
Yes that would be fabulous! :)
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Read closely...Im not saying Islam teaches everything here without exception...I said I hate this behavior

But there is a behavior that I hate. Cutting off "someone's hand or anything that can leave a person permanently disabled, the beating, wipping, caning, and sometimes" (sometimes meaning it has happened on occasion) "killing those who drink or gamble, the imprisoning or abusing those who don't abide by a religious dress code, and the persecution of those who have a different belief system. A belief is a belief. You should never be cruel to someone because they have a different belief about something that cannot be proven."

There is Not a false statement in the OP. Sharia law does promote those atrocities ( some, not all of them) in the name of God in the countries that claim to follow Sharia law.

And women have been arrested by police for wearing pants that were too tight as well as get sexually assaulted for not abiding by the Muslim dress code.

Muslim Imam Claims Women Who Don’t Wear Hijabs are “Asking to be Raped”, Arrested for Trying to Rape Woman | FrontPage Magazine
 
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Ingledsva

HEATHEN ALASKAN
Can you provide some textual evidence to support those accusations or is that it, they are just pathetic false accusations?

That is a Red-Herring, - to tell him to come up with the info, as you know perfectly well that these things do take place. They are on the news all the time. There are Human Rights Groups keeping watch, and filing international cases, etc. National Geographic had a huge spread with pictures, showing the forced marriage of underage girls, and their mistreatment under Sharia Law.

We are aware these things are not from the Muslim majority, but there are Muslims doing these things, and they are not just the fringe groups. So ...

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I thought there was little consensus on what Sharia means in practice?

There is an absolute consensus regarding the core of Shariah - this has been well established, however it is some fluffy squiggly nondescript details that the differing schools seem to debate over- this fact confuses the issue somewhat. Nonetheless, when implemented, Shariah looks exactly the same wherever it is - and it doesn't look good.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
That is a Red-Herring, - to tell him to come up with the info, as you know perfectly well that these things do take place. They are on the news all the time. There are Human Rights Groups keeping watch, and filing international cases, etc. National Geographic had a huge spread with pictures, showing the forced marriage of underage girls, and their mistreatment under Sharia Law.

We are aware these things are not from the Muslim majority, but there are Muslims doing these things, and they are not just the fringe groups. So ...

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Thank you! So true. My point was it happens. And even the atrocities that are not found specifically in the sharia law, are atrocities that Sharia is still partially responsible because violence and killing and the cutting off of hands are atrocities that Islamic law justifies, and since the Quran calls for them, and Muhammad commanded it, it isn't far fetched to state the simple fact that Sharia encourages intolerance, murder, and mutilation in the name of God.

That isn't an opinion it is a simple fact. Let no one get angry at me for stating simple facts and pointing out blatant inhumane behavior!
 

Harikrish

Active Member
The average Muslim believes Sharia law will encourage Muslims to aspire for God. God is done inspiring. He gave them the prophet and Quran and 164 jihad verses to be mindful of.
 
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