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does this exist?

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The standard understanding of "image of God" has nothing to do with physical traits. It refers to humans having attributes of God's character, such as agency, concience, etc.
Naturally you believe that the book of Genesis with the creation account is mythical, I concede that you believe that. I, as you know, do not contest the veracity of the account. And will not, no matter how people want to put it. However, remember -- and this is an important point to me, although not explored, but the tree of knowledge of good and evil was placed in the Garden that Adam and Eve were privy to -- and told really that the tree, although they COULD take from it, was not to be eaten of. Thus, although made in the image of God, He let them know He was their guide and mentor. God does not die. But they, Adam and Eve, could and did die. But then again -- not to get into a big discussion now about this, there IS throughout the scroll the hope of (1) the Messiah,, and (2) everlasting life -- reversing what Adam and Eve did. Shalom.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I, as you know, do not contest the veracity of the account.
I think you miss the point. Let's look at an analogy -- the parables of Jesus. They are not historical, but are designed to be teaching stories. When one reads the Good Samaritan, one does not get bogged down in the fact that it never historically happened. Rather, we look to the truth that it is teaching. Thus, we can simultaneously say that it is not factual, yet we still "do not contest its veracity."
 

Stevicus

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The standard understanding of "image of God" has nothing to do with physical traits. It refers to humans having attributes of God's character, such as agency, concience, etc.

Some people obviously believe that it does have to do with physical traits. Who is to say who is correct?
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I think you miss the point. Let's look at an analogy -- the parables of Jesus. They are not historical, but are designed to be teaching stories. When one reads the Good Samaritan, one does not get bogged down in the fact that it never historically happened. Rather, we look to the truth that it is teaching. Thus, we can simultaneously say that it is not factual, yet we still "do not contest its veracity."
Moses did not write his history as parables. Jesus did sometimes teach in illustrations or parables. Yes, Jesus did not write his experiences down, but Moses did. To truly understand the history of mankind one must move past the old testament into the new testament.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Some people obviously believe that it does have to do with physical traits. Who is to say who is correct?
One reason is that God at Genesis 1:27 says this: "And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them." I don't have a problem with that language, if you do, hey! have a good evening. Please.
 

Stevicus

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One reason is that God at Genesis 1:27 says this: "And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them." I don't have a problem with that language, if you do, hey! have a good evening. Please.

What makes you think I have a problem with the language?
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Moses did not write his history as parables. Jesus did sometimes teach in illustrations or parables. Yes, Jesus did not write his experiences down, but Moses did. To truly understand the history of mankind one must move past the old testament into the new testament.
Yours, I would assume that whoever first recorded the laws of Israel was Moses. But that is not the document we have today which we call the Torah. The Torah has many authors, and their texts were edited together in Babylon.
 

RestlessSoul

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Does a being such as this exist?

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God the Father is a Christian God-concept which differs significantly in character from the Old Testament/Hebrew God. Not literally an old man in the sky, but a relatable metaphor of a loving father who looks upon his wayward children with compassion, and forgives them their weaknesses. To most Christians, God may be ineffable, but a person's relationship with Him may be intimate and personal.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Yours, I would assume that whoever first recorded the laws of Israel was Moses. But that is not the document we have today which we call the Torah. The Torah has many authors, and their texts were edited together in Babylon.
Hi again, IndigoChild. I know the Greek Septuagint was involved with translation and preservation of the holy scriptures. I'm not an expert but can research this.
 

IndigoChild5559

Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
Hi again, IndigoChild. I know the Greek Septuagint was involved with translation and preservation of the holy scriptures. I'm not an expert but can research this.
The LXX was a very poor Greek Translation of the Tanakh plus some other books. Since I am not a native Greek speaker, it has absolutely no worth to me.
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
The LXX was a very poor Greek Translation of the Tanakh plus some other books. Since I am not a native Greek speaker, it has absolutely no worth to me.
It does have a worth historically though. When a person reads from the scrolls held in the front of a synagogue, what writings do these scrolls contain? All of the Tanach, or just the "five books" of Moses? I realize there were no chapter divisions back then.
 
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