Does this mean Jesus is God?

[YoursTrue]

Evidently you are unable to understand what I said, because I don't believe in a Trinity. There are not 3 persons in the Godhead. So it's just another strawman post from you portraying me as believing something I don't.

OK, you don't believe in a trinity. Not sure yet what you believe about the Father and Son. And/or the holy spirit. So if we are to continue a discussion, it would help to understand you. in order to understand what you are saying, are you saying that Jesus is equal to God his Father?

 

[YoursTrue]

It's only SOME translators that translate it that way. So how can you say I am saying they are all wrong?

And please do explain the other scriptures I mentioned in post #254, because when taken together they clearly show who the Savior has to be.

This is where you and I are having a problem. I didn't say they were all wrong. And yes, it's only SOME translators that translate it that way, with adding the word son to the phrase. But do you know what language they were translating from? To English?

 

[YoursTrue]

Evidently you are unable to understand what I said, because I don't believe in a Trinity. There are not 3 persons in the Godhead. So it's just another strawman post from you portraying me as believing something I don't.

Is there a "godhead"?

 

[InChrist]

Let me ask you this: if Jesus had not been killed, and he got out of his flesh before that, just wondering what you think would have happened to his flesh, would it (skin, internal organs) be dead?

I don’t understand this question at all. The entire mission of Jesus was to go to the cross and resurrect from the dead in human form so that we would have the same opportunity. I don’t know what you mean by Him getting out of His flesh before He was killed. Obviously, though the flesh, organs, etc. are dead when someone dies and the spirit leaves the body.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

OK, you don't believe in a trinity. Not sure yet what you believe about the Father and Son. And/or the holy spirit. So if we are to continue a discussion, it would help to understand you. in order to understand what you are saying, are you saying that Jesus is equal to God his Father?

First of all, The Holy Spirit is the Father. The Father and the Holy Spirit are not two different persons, or two different Spirits, or anything like that. God is one Spirit and he is holy.

But a Spirit doesn't have a body or blood. So God overshadowed the virgin Mary and made himself a body to dwell in and sacrifice for sins.

The body he made to sacrifice was called the Son. So that means he was both Father and Son. ( The Father being the eternal Spirit dwelling in the body, and the Son being the body or the flesh that was going to be sacrificed.

In other words God took on a body, and then shed his blood for our sins. When the eternal Spirit raised up the body, he raised it up as an eternal spiritual body that would never die. Then he ascended and took the throne to rule forever.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

This is where you and I are having a problem. I didn't say they were all wrong. And yes, it's only SOME translators that translate it that way, with adding the word son to the phrase. But do you know what language they were translating from? To English?

I believe they originally translated from Aramaic to Greek. And then from Greek to English later at some point.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

Is there a "godhead"?

To me godhead just means deity. Colossians 2:9-10 says that all the fullness of the Godhead dwelled in the Messiah bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power.

The Messiah was the image (or you could say the body) of the invisible God. Colossians 1:14-16

 

[Soapy]

First of all, The Holy Spirit is the Father. The Father and the Holy Spirit are not two different persons, or two different Spirits, or anything like that. God is one Spirit and he is holy.

But a Spirit doesn't have a body or blood. So God overshadowed the virgin Mary and made himself a body to dwell in and sacrifice for sins.

The body he made to sacrifice was called the Son. So that means he was both Father and Son. ( The Father being the eternal Spirit dwelling in the body, and the Son being the body or the flesh that was going to be sacrificed.

In other words God took on a body, and then shed his blood for our sins. When the eternal Spirit raised up the body, he raised it up as an eternal spiritual body that would never die. Then he ascended and took the throne to rule forever.

‘A body YOU made for me!’

 

[Muffled]

So then, Jesus as God equal to the other 2 persons of the trinity, seems that you are saying that Jesus was trapped as God in his flesh? Just trying to understand your position on this. Two godpersons that have no limitations, is that right? and one godperson that does have limitations because -- his flesh limits his ability, is that right?

I do not believe Jesus was trapped. He was limited only by what He was willing to do.

One God person with no limitations. The other two are limited by the flesh. That is only true in the religious definition of person. It is not true for the other definitions of person.

 

[Muffled]

Jesus claimed to be the Jewish Messiah, and NOT the Christian "Saviour".
That is what the Sanhedrin accused him of before he was put on a cross.

It was the angel Gabriel who said He should be named Jesus because He would save His people. The actual Hebrew is Jeshuah and means God saves.

 

[Muffled]

Let me ask you this: if Jesus had not been killed, and he got out of his flesh before that, just wondering what you think would have happened to his flesh, would it (skin, internal organs) be dead?

I believe that did happen while Jesus was on the cross. He left the body and it died because the spirit was not there to sustain life under the circumstances. That is why He was found dead by the soldiers and they didn't have to break his legs to make Him die. That was to fulfill scripture that said his bones would not be broken.

 

[TrueBeliever37]

‘A body YOU made for me!’

Spaghetti is Good!

 

[YoursTrue]

I believe that did happen while Jesus was on the cross. He left the body and it died because the spirit was not there to sustain life under the circumstances. That is why He was found dead by the soldiers and they didn't have to break his legs to make Him die. That was to fulfill scripture that said his bones would not be broken.

From my understanding of the scriptures, Jesus died. Then he was resurrected.

 

[YoursTrue]

I do not believe Jesus was trapped. He was limited only by what He was willing to do.

One God person with no limitations. The other two are limited by the flesh. That is only true in the religious definition of person. It is not true for the other definitions of person.

He could not go back to heaven until he died and was raised in a different form. So it makes sense that his lifeforce was transferred first from heaven, given life as a human. He was no longer a powerful spirit person in heaven. He had the limitations of the flesh and God's holy spirit enabled him to perform miracles demonstrating he was the Messiah. Interestingly, the only way he could go back to heaven is if he died, so thank you for the discussion. In his human flesh, he could not enter heaven. And so he pleads for those who have faith in him and who are his disciples.

 

[YoursTrue]

It was the angel Gabriel who said He should be named Jesus because He would save His people. The actual Hebrew is Jeshuah and means God saves.

But then you have to realize that Joshua means the same thing. (God -- or phonetically, Yeshua --saves.) And of course, we know Joshua was not God.
From Strong's Concordance:
Strong's Concordance
Iésous: Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr. Strong's Greek: 2424. Ἰησοῦς (Iésous) -- Jesus or Joshua, the name of the Messiah, also three other Isr. (biblehub.com)

 

[YoursTrue]

I don’t understand this question at all. The entire mission of Jesus was to go to the cross and resurrect from the dead in human form so that we would have the same opportunity. I don’t know what you mean by Him getting out of His flesh before He was killed. Obviously, though the flesh, organs, etc. are dead when someone dies and the spirit leaves the body.

Spirit is from the Greek pneuma, often translated as breath or wind. Strong's Greek: 4151. πνεῦμα (pneuma) -- wind, spirit (biblehub.com)

 

[Soapy]

I don’t understand this question at all. The entire mission of Jesus was to go to the cross and resurrect from the dead in human form so that we would have the same opportunity. I don’t know what you mean by Him getting out of His flesh before He was killed. Obviously, though the flesh, organs, etc. are dead when someone dies and the spirit leaves the body.

To die as a sacrifice was not the only objective Jesus was given. He was also sent to reveal God - to reveal the truth about the Father. This is written in many places but Revelation 1:1 gives it’s a summary.

Jesus revealed that the Father desires humanity to become holy. He started with his favoured nation, the Jews, who were to become holy and then teach other nations the same (like how the apostles spread the good news and converted other people and nations). Obviously, not all peoples and nations were going to accept the truth as we see even today.

The revelation was not accepted by the Jews which made God …mmm… kinda upset - disappointed!!! So as a result the way was made open for all nations to be foremost - gentiles, pagans, free men or slaves, … anyone who believed in YHWH the only true God - and in Jesus Christ whom YHWH sent!

Sadly, even today, many Jews still do not believe that the messiah has come - despite all the going’s on around the world they are still waiting for the initial coming of the messiah - and needless to say, probably a warrior messiah to sort out the homeland in the Middle East…. Dialogue with Jews in other parts of this forum has revealed this very nature instilled within sectors of Judaism (or the whole of it?!)

 

[TreeOfLife]

John 8:29 says clearly to me that Jesus is not God. How about you? Does the following statement of Jesus at John 8:29 tell you that Jesus is God?
"The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him."

 

[TreeOfLife]

Spirit is from the Greek pneuma, often translated as breath or wind. Strong's Greek: 4151. πνεῦμα (pneuma) -- wind, spirit (biblehub.com)

I believe he is the heir the Son of God.. He became god when he followed the final commandment final commandment to resurrect himself. In mark 28 Jesus himself says all powers given me in heaven and Earth.. So therefore I believe that he is at that point deity In mark 28 Jesus himself says all powers given me in heaven and Earth.. So therefore I believe that he is at that point deity.

 

[YoursTrue]

I believe he is the heir the Son of God.. He became god when he followed the final commandment final commandment to resurrect himself. In mark 28 Jesus himself says all powers given me in heaven and Earth.. So therefore I believe that he is at that point deity In mark 28 Jesus himself says all powers given me in heaven and Earth.. So therefore I believe that he is at that point deity.

Jesus now has great power and authority.
Anyone or anything can become a deity, depending on the power he has, or how people view him. Jesus was given authority by his Father in heaven. Jesus knew there is only one true God. He wasn't talking about himself. The point you're raising is an interesting one and it is necessary to understand the context and we can go into that perhaps another time about the resurrection. Matthew 28:18 speaks that all authority was given to Jesus. "Jesus approached and spoke to them, saying: “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth." Since it was given to him by the Father the Bible later speaks of the time that Jesus will hand back to the Father everything.
Just touching on this point, however, and you might want to check it out--
"Because of Jesus’ faithful course of life, it could properly be said that Jesus himself was responsible for his resurrection."
Says A. T. Robertson in Word Pictures in the New Testament: “Recall [John] 2:19 where Jesus said: ‘And in three days I will raise it up.’ He did not mean that he will raise himself from the dead independently of the Father as the active agent (Rom. 8:11" Trinity — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY (jw.org)
The subject can be complex but with proper understanding and help from God, can be understood.