Dog attacks

[Mock Turtle]

Perhaps my equivalent of being triggered by gun violence in the USA. It really, really annoys me when people are attacked by dogs, especially children and where many die from such attacks. And although there is advice as per what to do when attacked, or to avoid such, no doubt there is no universal solution as to the types of attack and all the circumstances in which these take place and how to avoid significant injury or worse.

So I offer some thoughts as to such. The main issue seems to be, how could one defend oneself or another if a dog attacked for no apparent reason, and perhaps being a large dog and not being especially powerful oneself - excluding the use of lethal weapons, such as firearms or knives, that might not be legal in one's own country.

So, how about a spring-loaded device, sharp and barbed (like a double mushroom with spikes), thrust into the dog's mouth so as to keep the mouth open? Or perhaps a suitably sized ball-like object, that expanded upon pressure so as to fill the dog's mouth just the same. Both of these designed to just keep the dog's mouth open and not able to bite, given that the bite is probably their worst weapon. And such could be made to be lethal or just temporary.

Of course there is the issue of how to get the dog to take the bait.

Any thoughts?

 

[Viker]

I dunno, something like this?

 

[pearl]

When I worked for Visiting Nurses any home with dogs, it they were not friendly, must be crated before we arrived. As I walked by the crate the dog's intention was clear, he would have torn me to pieces. It was a rottweiler. In another home visit I was at the patient's bedside when something was banging my leg, I thought its all over, it was another rottweiler, then I noticed he had a ball in his mouth and simply wanted to play.

 

[Bathos Logos]

I have a pretty big and muscular, but sleek dog. She's a mutt, something plus pit bull. I have found two things that stop her in her tracks, depending on how riled up she is. One is offer her an elbow. For some reason, she is just about confounded by my elbow. Trying to nip at it must seem awkward or uncomfortable, because she immediately stops. I think it has to do with how hard it is, and doesn't offer much purchase. And the other thing that is even more effective, if she goes for my hand, not only do I give it to her, but I reach into her throat. I'm not talking deep or anything, just enough to start the gag reflex - and then there is no way she's going to continue trying anything, as she will be entirely intent on backing out of the situation as quickly as possible.

Now, this is all mostly just in play scenarios, where she is only mildly charged up, and I know dogs can be fast and furious - so much so that it becomes nearly impossible to keep tabs on them and react quickly enough. But, depending on the situation, those are the things I figure I will try and turn to if a dog I'm a stranger to actually tried to attack me. Offer the hand and push with all my might as quickly as possible to jam it down their throat. Chances are, if you've caused enough discomfort, the dog will at least back off and try to recoup, and if you're lucky, maybe you will have established in their mind that you are one not worth messing with.

 

[ChristineM]

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I dunno, something like this?

That looks painful, there is a local museum with a torture section, the several pears of anguish are quite prominent

 

[ChristineM]

Dogs have never really bothered me, when i was a young child my grandfather used to breed rottweilers. At his house if ever i went missing i would be in the cage playing with the dogs.

Some years ago i had need to learn effective self defense. One of the things i was tought was how to cope with a dog attack. If a large dog jumps you, don't try to dodge but grab for each front leg. As it moves towards you rapidly widen your arms thus forcing the dogs legs apart. Before it's teeth have made contact the spreading joints have crushed the dogs heart. Drastic but better than the alternative.

 

[Truth in love]

Perhaps my equivalent of being triggered by gun violence in the USA. It really, really annoys me when people are attacked by dogs, especially children and where many die from such attacks. And although there is advice as per what to do when attacked, or to avoid such, no doubt there is no universal solution as to the types of attack and all the circumstances in which these take place and how to avoid significant injury or worse.

So I offer some thoughts as to such. The main issue seems to be, how could one defend oneself or another if a dog attacked for no apparent reason, and perhaps being a large dog and not being especially powerful oneself - excluding the use of lethal weapons, such as firearms or knives, that might not be legal in one's own country.

So, how about a spring-loaded device, sharp and barbed (like a double mushroom with spikes), thrust into the dog's mouth so as to keep the mouth open? Or perhaps a suitably sized ball-like object, that expanded upon pressure so as to fill the dog's mouth just the same. Both of these designed to just keep the dog's mouth open and not able to bite, given that the bite is probably their worst weapon. And such could be made to be lethal or just temporary.

Of course there is the issue of how to get the dog to take the bait.

Any thoughts?

Tech wise pepper spray would be a lot easier to carry and not require excessive skill to use.

some places may allow something like this it is not a firearm by US law, but might be else where. They can use more or less solid balls or pepper

 

[Stevicus]

Perhaps my equivalent of being triggered by gun violence in the USA. It really, really annoys me when people are attacked by dogs, especially children and where many die from such attacks. And although there is advice as per what to do when attacked, or to avoid such, no doubt there is no universal solution as to the types of attack and all the circumstances in which these take place and how to avoid significant injury or worse.

So I offer some thoughts as to such. The main issue seems to be, how could one defend oneself or another if a dog attacked for no apparent reason, and perhaps being a large dog and not being especially powerful oneself - excluding the use of lethal weapons, such as firearms or knives, that might not be legal in one's own country.

So, how about a spring-loaded device, sharp and barbed (like a double mushroom with spikes), thrust into the dog's mouth so as to keep the mouth open? Or perhaps a suitably sized ball-like object, that expanded upon pressure so as to fill the dog's mouth just the same. Both of these designed to just keep the dog's mouth open and not able to bite, given that the bite is probably their worst weapon. And such could be made to be lethal or just temporary.

Of course there is the issue of how to get the dog to take the bait.

Any thoughts?

Maybe if one carries a cat, then the cat can be used for protection against stray dogs.

Or maybe a chicken, perhaps.

 

[ChristineM]

Tech wise pepper spray would be a lot easier to carry and not require excessive skill to use.

some places may allow something like this it is not a firearm by US law, but might be else where. They can use more or less solid balls or pepper

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Illegal in the UK.
Rules vary from country to country across Europe from being outright illegal, legal wirh a license (which may be very difficult to obtain) or legal.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I have a pretty big and muscular, but sleek dog. She's a mutt, something plus pit bull. I have found two things that stop her in her tracks, depending on how riled up she is. One is offer her an elbow. For some reason, she is just about confounded by my elbow. Trying to nip at it must seem awkward or uncomfortable, because she immediately stops. I think it has to do with how hard it is, and doesn't offer much purchase. And the other thing that is even more effective, if she goes for my hand, not only do I give it to her, but I reach into her throat. I'm not talking deep or anything, just enough to start the gag reflex - and then there is no way she's going to continue trying anything, as she will be entirely intent on backing out of the situation as quickly as possible.

Now, this is all mostly just in play scenarios, where she is only mildly charged up, and I know dogs can be fast and furious - so much so that it becomes nearly impossible to keep tabs on them and react quickly enough. But, depending on the situation, those are the things I figure I will try and turn to if an actual dog tried to attack me. Offer the hand and push with all my might as quickly as possible to jam it down their throat. Chances are, if you've caused enough discomfort, the dog will at least back off and try to recoup, and if you're lucky, maybe you will have established in their mind that you are one not worth messing with.

That might be my first reaction if I didn't have something handy to use but it takes a bit of courage to actually do this, and perhaps the chance of losing a hand.

@Truth in love, as @ChristineM mentioned, the Mace type sprays are illegal in the UK, as are many of the weapons that one could carry, although a Swiss-Army knife might be useful and legal.

Actually, the chances of being attacked are low. I have only been bitten once, as a six-year-old when I proffered a hand and the Chow bit the palm of my hand. Otherwise I haven't really been bothered by any threats by dogs but I would like to be able to disarm one if it attacked myself or someone else.

I suspect any devices, as proposed, might injure more children than any dogs would.

 

[Onasander]

I usually am in a country road and some farmer, not watching their giant crazy dog, allows it to run free, at me. I usually take my backpack off and hold it in my left hand like a shield and present it forward to be bitten. Never happened yet- the biting part. My plan is eye gouging with my other hand.

I've been held up a half hour before by barking dogs in the road. Dogs never grow tired of the barking.... just sideways then reverse walking away.... so slowly.

 

[Little Dragon]

Perhaps my equivalent of being triggered by gun violence in the USA. It really, really annoys me when people are attacked by dogs, especially children and where many die from such attacks. And although there is advice as per what to do when attacked, or to avoid such, no doubt there is no universal solution as to the types of attack and all the circumstances in which these take place and how to avoid significant injury or worse.

So I offer some thoughts as to such. The main issue seems to be, how could one defend oneself or another if a dog attacked for no apparent reason, and perhaps being a large dog and not being especially powerful oneself - excluding the use of lethal weapons, such as firearms or knives, that might not be legal in one's own country.

So, how about a spring-loaded device, sharp and barbed (like a double mushroom with spikes), thrust into the dog's mouth so as to keep the mouth open? Or perhaps a suitably sized ball-like object, that expanded upon pressure so as to fill the dog's mouth just the same. Both of these designed to just keep the dog's mouth open and not able to bite, given that the bite is probably their worst weapon. And such could be made to be lethal or just temporary.

Of course there is the issue of how to get the dog to take the bait.

Any thoughts?

In case of absolute last resort, a large attacking dog can be killed by grabbing hold of and pushing apart it's front forelimbs, to the sides.This will crush the ribcage. A highly risky action of course. Alternatively a chair or table, or even a coat, can be used to distract and deflect attacks.

I love dogs, unconditionally, the best species on Earth, imho. Have grown up with dogs, I know dogs. One thing I definitely know is that a scared dog is a violent and unpredictable dog, look to the owner of such a dog, they are likely the real reason the dog's behaviour is dangerous to the public.

 

[Mock Turtle]

In case of absolute last resort, a large attacking dog can be killed by grabbing hold of and pushing apart it's front forelimbs, to the sides.This will crush the ribcage. A highly risky action of course. Alternatively a chair or table, or even a coat, can be used to distract and deflect attacks.

I love dogs, unconditionally, the best species on Earth, imho. Have grown up with dogs, I know dogs. One thing I definitely know is that a scared dog is a violent and unpredictable dog, look to the owner of such a dog, they are likely the real reason the dog's behaviour is dangerous to the public.

I've wondered as to grabbing the back legs of any dog and raising them, where people are available, but not sure what to do after.

 

[Little Dragon]

I've wondered as to grabbing the back legs of any dog and raising them, where people are available, but not sure what to do after.

That sounds like it could work in theory. However dogs are tenacious fighters, so, not sure!

 

[Little Dragon]

I've wondered as to grabbing the back legs of any dog and raising them, where people are available, but not sure what to do after.

Killing a dog would be the last thing I would want to do. My great grandfather used the method I described, to kill a rabid dog that attacked customers in a french Cafe, during WW2. According to family lore.