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Don’t give up

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Shame if they closed the book on spirituality cuz of a religion.
I can understand why so many might turn away from any religions that they had at any point but that is not really the case for me. I did look into most of the various religious beliefs, including some of the more spiritual beliefs, but I never really had a religious belief apart from the one passed casually to me by my parents - and fortunately not explicitly. None of these beliefs made the required sense for me, such that this is why I am not a believer in any one of them or of there being some God - but I leave the latter open because I tend to have some humility. The latter not being so evident in many of the religious however, it seems to me. :oops:
 

Sirona

Hindu Wannabe
Just my guess but this sounds like "former Christians who gave up reading the Bible should re-visit the Chistian religion" with the term Christianity being re-labeled as "spirituality" because "spirituality" = fashionable.

There is Christian spirituality, of course, but I guess when they hear the word "spirituality", many may think of New Age and related movements instead of religion/Christianity.

But I might be wrong. :cool:
 

syo

Well-Known Member
If you’ve given up on spirituality because of bad experience with a religion I hope one day you can revisit spirituality. Come at it from a different angle, a new perspective, from a more personal intimate nature. It’s sad that many have abandoned such a lovely thing and never returned. It’s a shame really.
This is why I support lions.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
I believe it is an error to mistake "spirituality" with "religion." In my view, spirituality is the search for one's true self, and how that self connects with the existence in which that self is. Religion can be all sorts of things, including spending hours on your knees bowing and scraping thinking you're talking to God without ever knowing what it is you think you're talking about.

People who get themselves whipped up into a frenzy through hypnotic chanting or dancing until they're dizzy aren't being spiritual -- they're trying to "feel otherwise than they usually do." That's more like losing yourself than finding yourself.
I believe experiences derived via entheogens can broaden ones perception and perspective, particularly due to ego death.
I think art, music, astronomy, etc. can elicit spiritual experiences.
But how are we defining spirituality, though?
 

Jimmy

King Phenomenon
I can understand why so many might turn away from any religions that they had at any point but that is not really the case for me. I did look into most of the various religious beliefs, including some of the more spiritual beliefs, but I never really had a religious belief apart from the one passed casually to me by my parents - and fortunately not explicitly. None of these beliefs made the required sense for me, such that this is why I am not a believer in any one of them or of there being some God - but I leave the latter open because I tend to have some humility. The latter not being so evident in many of the religious however, it seems to me. :oops:
Make your own spirituality
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Sure but for me I’m grateful to god, in awe of god, humbled by god, in awe of god etc. I believe in one truth
You are welcome to your beliefs.
I too believe one truth regarding how we got here and how it will all end. But it's not the same as yours.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Sure but for me I’m grateful to god, in awe of god, humbled by god, in awe of god etc. I believe in one truth regarding how we got here and how it will all end.

Well, I do that differently and as long as you don't claim god over me, then okay. Do you as you.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
If you’ve given up on spirituality because of bad experience with a religion I hope one day you can revisit spirituality. Come at it from a different angle, a new perspective, from a more personal intimate nature. It’s sad that many have abandoned such a lovely thing and never returned. It’s a shame really.

I just try to live my life and not worry about such things as religion or spirituality.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Yeah, in Western terms it is mental, the mind, values of that kind, how we cope and indeed religion for anther definition than the standard one.
I'm afraid I just don't get spirituality, especially when personality, character, beliefs, and all the rest can cope with most situations, such that spirituality is more seen as an add-on - perhaps to simply flavour life - like condiments do. o_O
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
I'm afraid I just don't get spirituality, especially when personality, character, beliefs, and all the rest can cope with most situations, such that spirituality is more seen as an add-on - perhaps to simply flavour life - like condiments do. o_O

Coping is mental and how you do that is subjective. And I can do that differently and still cope.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Coping is mental and how you do that is subjective. And I can do that differently and still cope.
Whatever works for others is fine with me. I'm not going to disparage spirituality or what such might do for any, and is probably preferable to some religious beliefs if this too doesn't cause conflicts between peoples.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
I believe experiences derived via entheogens can broaden ones perception and perspective, particularly due to ego death.
I think art, music, astronomy, etc. can elicit spiritual experiences.
But how are we defining spirituality, though?
I like a very short and easily-read book by the eminent French philosopher Andre Comte-Sponville, called "The Little Book of Atheist Spirituality."

Boiling it way, way down, first, we must consider something of fundamental importance, something that is absolute and immutable: life is full of variety, possibility, hope, let-downs, successes, failures, dreams and broken dreams, love, hate, art, the banal...and it is finite. Death is infinite and unchanging. It strikes me that it is quite natural that we humans -- who unlike other animals are aware of this -- should be concerned. And yet, as Mark Twain pointed out: “I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”

Within that context, Comte-Sponville seems to suggest that atheist spiritually can be summed up as an ethical and moral framework and the interaction of humanity and the individual with his own existence -- knowing who we are and exploring our relationship to all else. That exploration can take many forms, include philosophy, art (and within art, I might dare to include religion), and so forth.

It's a great oddity of us silly humans that we would be terrified of going into the past because, as our sci-fi tells, even a tiny alteration of the past could change the present dramatically. But we never stop to think about the corollary -- how tiny actions in the present could dramatically affect the future. And our spirituality should bring us to appreciate that the future is therefore a part of who we are, in that we are a part of how that future will unfold, even if we don't wind up in it.

And that, my friend, is a very spiritual thought.
 
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Koldo

Outstanding Member
Not lookin to reinvent the wheel but I can change the spokes. The god concept has been around a long time and I think people have and can benefit a great deal from spirituality. I’ve made God how I want him and you can do the same. I look forward to the changes that await us. The god of now…

As much as I enjoy reading a good fantasy book and watching a good fantasy movie, I am completely uninsterested in playing make believe. It is a skip for me.
 
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