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Dover Judge Rules Against Intelligent Design

Jayhawker Soule

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Premium Member
From MSNBC

Dover Judge Rules Against Intelligent Design​

HARRISBURG, Pa. - A federal judge ruled Tuesday that the "intelligent design" explanation for the origin of life cannot be taught in biology classes in a Pennsylvania public school district.

The Dover Area School Board violated the Constitution when it ordered that its biology curriculum must include "intelligent design," the notion that life on Earth was produced by an unidentified intelligent cause, U.S. District Judge John E. Jones III ruled.

The school board policy, adopted in October 2004, was believed to have been the first of its kind in the nation. Eight families then sued to have intelligent design removed.

"The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy," Jones wrote. "It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy."

The board's attorneys said members sought to improve science education by exposing students to alternatives to Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection causing gradual changes over time; intelligent-design proponents argue that it cannot fully explain the existence of complex life forms.

The plaintiffs argued that intelligent design amount to a secular repackaging of creationism, which the courts have already ruled cannot be taught in public schools.​

[emphasis added - Jay]
 

Rex_v2.0

Member
I don't see the problem in teaching both. They are both theories and neither more right than the other.
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Rex_v2.0 said:
I don't see the problem in teaching both.
I do see a problem with teaching ID in a science class... it's not science! People should teach it (or not) in the their churches all they like though. But please, not in my kid's science class.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Radar said:
Yay!!!! Separation of church and state.
What is more important (IMHO) is the seperation of science and religion. Religion can be taught in schools as factual knowledge, but not as scientific truth or fact. If ID is taught alongside evolution, the government would be supporting a particular religion. If the major world religions are taught as religions without encouraging children to adhere to a particular religion, then no religion is supported, and children better understand their world.
 

jonny

Well-Known Member
Maize said:
I do see a problem with teaching ID in a science class... it's not science! People should teach it (or not) in the their churches all they like though. But please, not in my kid's science class.
I don't believe that ID should be taught, but I don't believe it should be ignored either. I don't have a problem with the teacher prefacing the discussion on evolution with something like, "some people believe that God created us. Talk to you parents if you would like to know more. Now, here is what we know from science..."
 

jonny

Well-Known Member
angellous_evangellous said:
What is more important (IMHO) is the seperation of science and religion. Religion can be taught in schools as factual knowledge, but not as scientific truth or fact. If ID is taught alongside evolution, the government would be supporting a particular religion. If the major world religions are taught as religions without encouraging children to adhere to a particular religion, then no religion is supported, and children better understand their world.
There's separation of science and religion now!!! How can you seperate God from the laws that he created?!? :eek:
 

Rex_v2.0

Member
Maize said:
I do see a problem with teaching ID in a science class... it's not science! People should teach it (or not) in the their churches all they like though. But please, not in my kid's science class.
That is like saying keep math out of science.
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
jonny said:
I don't have a problem with the teacher prefacing the discussion on evolution with something like, "some people believe that God created us. Talk to you parents if you would like to know more...."

But what does that have to do with science? Nothing. I would imagine that most parents who believe in ID (creationism) have already taught that to their children. Why does a science teacher need to bring it up?
 

Quiddity

UndertheInfluenceofGiants
Maize said:

But what does that have to do with science? Nothing. I would imagine that most parents who believe in ID (creationism) have already taught that to their children. Why does a science teacher need to bring it up?
What if it was a class not categorized in sciences?

~Victor
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
Rex_v2.0 said:
That is like saying keep math out of science.
Sorry Rex, I'm not 'with you' there; surely, Maths is a tool to be used in science; I.D is far removed from Biology, surely ?;)
 

Rex_v2.0

Member
Maize said:
Were you taught calculus in anatomy class?
Changing the subject doesn't make your arguement any better.

Science teaches more than just science, science is a "search" for the truth.
 

jonny

Well-Known Member
Maize said:

But what does that have to do with science? Nothing. I would imagine that most parents who believe in ID (creationism) have already taught that to their children. Why does a science teacher need to bring it up?
The same reason why a health teacher should say, "go talk to you parents" when a kid asks if it is ok for him to have sex. Teachers need to teach, but at the same time respect the parent's religious beliefs.

There will always be a kid who brings it up anyway. This way the teacher can control the discussion better.
 

Rex_v2.0

Member
michel said:
Sorry Rex, I'm not 'with you' there; surely, Maths is a tool to be used in science; I.D is far removed from Biology, surely ?;)
Well where we come from seems like science to me.
 

Jaymes

The cake is a lie
Rex_v2.0 said:
Is Darwins explanation not called Darwins THEORY?
I was unaware there was a wide array of fossils that support the unprovable idea of intelligent design.
 
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