Drug use and the religious.

[ninerbuff]

Start another thread about processed foods.

Why? If the your statement about "polluting" the temple is a valid point, the the question about processed foods should be addressed. Or do you need to back pedal?

 

[ninerbuff]

Here is why, from my scriptures, I don't use drugs. Many things apply, though not specifically mentioned herein. Also, discipline and self-control/mastery are core principles in my religion. using addictive substances undermines self-control.

SECTION 89
Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Kirtland, Ohio, February 27, 1833. HC 1: 327–329. As a consequence of the early brethren using tobacco in their meetings, the Prophet was led to ponder upon the matter; consequently he inquired of the Lord concerning it. This revelation, known as the Word of Wisdom, was the result. The first three verses were originally written as an inspired introduction and description by the Prophet.
1–9, Use of wine, strong drinks, tobacco, and hot drinks proscribed; 10–17, Herbs, fruits, flesh, and grain are ordained for the use of man and of animals; 18–21, Obedience to gospel law, including the Word of Wisdom, brings temporal and spiritual blessings.
1 A aWord OF Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—

2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the aword of wisdom, showing forth the order and bwill of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—

3 Given for a principle with apromise, adapted to the capacity of the bweak and the weakest of all csaints, who are or can be called saints.

4 Behold, verily, thus saith the Lord unto you: In consequence of aevils and designs which do and will exist in the hearts of bconspiring men in the last days, I have cwarned you, and forewarn you, by giving unto you this word of wisdom by revelation—

5 That inasmuch as any man adrinketh bwine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.

6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, apure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.

7 And, again, astrong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.


8 And again, tobacco is not for the abody, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgment and skill.


9 And again, hot drinks are not for the body or belly.


10 And again, verily I say unto you, all wholesome aherbs God hath ordained for the constitution, nature, and use of man—

11 Every herb in the season thereof, and every fruit in the season thereof; all these to be used with aprudence and bthanksgiving.

12 Yea, aflesh also of bbeasts and of the fowls of the air, I, the Lord, have ordained for the use of man with thanksgiving; nevertheless they are to be used csparingly;

13 And it is pleasing unto me that they should not be aused, only in times of winter, or of cold, or bfamine.

14 All agrain is ordained for the use of man and of beasts, to be the staff of life, not only for man but for the beasts of the field, and the fowls of heaven, and all wild animals that run or creep on the earth;

15 And athese hath God made for the use of man only in times of famine and excess of hunger.

16 All grain is good for the afood of man; as also the bfruit of the vine; that which yieldeth fruit, whether in the ground or above the ground—

17 Nevertheless, wheat for man, and corn for the ox, and oats for the horse, and rye for the fowls and for swine, and for all beasts of the field, and barley for all useful animals, and for mild drinks, as also other grain.

18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, ashall receive bhealth in their navel and marrow to their bones;

19 And shall afind bwisdom and great ctreasures of dknowledge, even hidden treasures;

20 And shall arun and not be bweary, and shall walk and not faint.

21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the adestroying angel shall bpass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.

You'd be boring at a party.

 

[Midnight Pete]

You speak of "polluting the temple" and if you knew about the chemical lacing that is in processed food, you would know that many of the chemicals aren't natural. Isn't that "polluting" the body then if you consume it?

Probably, but I am no health-food nut. I'm aware of health & nutrition to some degree, though. I like to think I make what are --mostly-- healthy choices at the supermarket. But this thread was about drug use, wasn't it? And the drugs we're referring to are illegal narcotics. Meth, coke, heroin, ecstasy, PCP, etc.

 

[MW0082]

Probably, but I am no health-food nut. I'm aware of health & nutrition to some degree, though. I like to think I make what are --mostly-- healthy choices at the supermarket. But this thread was about drug use, wasn't it? And the drugs we're referring to are illegal narcotics. Meth, coke, heroin, ecstasy, PCP, etc.

no, it's about all illegal drugs

 

[tomato1236]

You'd be boring at a party.

Heh, yeah. It's okay though, because I have social anxiety in large party-like environments anyway.

 

[tomato1236]

Marijuana is not addictive, so you know....

That's debatable. In any case, it's illegal, and mine isn't a religion that encourages breaking the law.

 

[MW0082]

That's debatable. In any case, it's illegal, and mine isn't a religion that encourages breaking the law.

I think an addict can get addicted to anything. it's not the drug or whatever they are doing over and over again that is making them. it's their brain, so it's 50/50. The only reason marijuana is illegal is due to potential it has to replace wood. it's cheap, affective and strong. I am sure there are other dumb reasons I am sure....


But does your god tell you not to smoke marijuana because ypour god is against it, or does your god tell you to listen to toher people who make the laws?

Seems to me some laws shouldn't be there to begin with, like the useless and inaffective war on drugs, and that your god wouldn't care. it's here for a reason and has more nefits than it does cost..... For me the only cost is it's high cost. Again another government made it illegle issue.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Why are certain drugs deemed illegal in the first place? Because of the damage they cause to society. Drug-addiction damages the individual who in turn damages society. It all starts in the home, where one family member makes life a living hell for the rest of the family. The human cost of drug-addiction is just too high.

 

[ChristineES]

I am never going to smoke pot, snort coke, take any other illegal drug, simply because they are illegal. And not just illegal, most of these are not good for people, either. And I still think if they want to legalize pot for medicinal purposes, that would be OK, but it is not as harmless as some of you are making it out to be. I never took it myself, but the rest of my family did and I grew up with it- and believe me it caused problems. And don't say it isn't addictive, because I know better. Marijuana is a hallucinogen, according to a class I took in college.

 

[Wannabe Yogi]

Why are certain drugs deemed illegal in the first place? Because of the damage they cause to society. Drug-addiction damages the individual who in turn damages society. It all starts in the home, where one family member makes life a living hell for the rest of the family. The human cost of drug-addiction is just too high.

Severe laws tend only to persuade causal users to stop using drugs. The percentage of addicts tend not to be reduced by tougher laws.

 

[ChristineES]

Severe laws tend only to persuade causal users to stop using drugs. The percentage of addicts tend not to be reduced by tougher laws.

That would be true. If someone is addicted to something, they would go out of their way to get it; no matter the consequence. Addicts in need of their drug can be dangerous, so I've heard.

 

[Midnight Pete]

Severe laws tend only to persuade causal users to stop using drugs. The percentage of addicts tend not to be reduced by tougher laws.

I think that's because hard-core addicts wouldn't hesitate to break any number of laws if it meant getting more drugs.

 

[MW0082]

I am never going to smoke pot, snort coke, take any other illegal drug, simply because they are illegal. And not just illegal, most of these are not good for people, either. And I still think if they want to legalize pot for medicinal purposes, that would be OK, but it is not as harmless as some of you are making it out to be. I never took it myself, but the rest of my family did and I grew up with it- and believe me it caused problems. And don't say it isn't addictive, because I know better. Marijuana is a hallucinogen, according to a class I took in college.

No offense, but get your money back from that class.

I am an addict, full blown.. have been through the treament and group therapy and so on and so forth. I can say from my opwn experience that marijuana is not addictive. I can go days with out, generally smoke it everyday. I never do anything stupid or wreckless to have it. Simply pre occupy my time with something else. it is extremely harmeless, and I would liek ana ctual example of how soemone was harm,ed by it. I guarantee you it is a by product of it BEING illegal, not the drug at all..

They omnce said homosexuality was a mind disease in a book. Doesn't mean it's true...

 

[ChristineES]

No offense, but get your money back from that class.

I am an addict, full blown.. have been through the treatment and group therapy and so on and so forth. I can say from my open experience that marijuana is not addictive. I can go days with out, generally smoke it everyday. I never do anything stupid or reckless to have it. Simply pre occupy my time with something else. it is extremely harmless, and I would like an actual example of how someone was harm,ed by it. I guarantee you it is a by product of it BEING illegal, not the drug at all..

They once said homosexuality was a mind disease in a book. Doesn't mean it's true...

I just don't agree. If it was not addictive, then why couldn't certain members of my family quit smoking it without any problems? You sound as though you are a casual user, not a hard core user. Or maybe you have a less addictive personality- I know I do.
And just because you are not addicted doesn't mean others aren't.

 

[MW0082]

And what about all the crime and death and suffering that results from people using illegal narcotics? How can you possibly justify that?

There is only crime and death and danger because IT IS ILEGAL. look at Amsterdam, they legalized drugs and prostitution and their crime went down 70%. That says a lot.....

 

[tomato1236]

There is only crime and death and danger because IT IS ILEGAL. look at Amsterdam, they legalized drugs and prostitution and their crime went down 70%. That says a lot.....

Well if there's no such thing as crime, it would go down 100%, yes?

 

[MW0082]

I don't buy the gateway drug argument for a second. I think its much more likely that a person willing to do any drugs is more inclined to try more hardcore drugs in time. But many, and in my experience, most people that try and enjoy the softer drugs like pot, are smart enough to never touch the hardcore, obviously dangerous drugs.

And once again, I think the reasons that the most hardcore drugs, especially their high physical addiction potential and extremely physically dangerous effects on a person's health, make their use admonishable. But there is no realistic possibility of overdose on marijuana, it barely impairs judgment and motor skills, it has a low physical addiction possibility, it makes sex quite enjoyable in a different way, and its fun as hell.

I agree that the gateway arguement is moot. If drugs were legal the majority of these people wouldnty even do them.
Drug trying for the most part is BECAUSE they make it illegal and tempting. People generally want to rebel, and so doing drugs is one of them. you take away the risk and rebellioness of it. people will stop trying it....

 

[MW0082]

Well if there's no such thing as crime, it would go down 100%, yes?

But it was all crime, thats the point I am making. it's a domino affect, you make one thing illegal and it takes four or five illagal activites to get it. Once you take out the illegalization part, all the other meaningless crimes go away.

 

[MW0082]

I just don't agree. If it was not addictive, then why couldn't certain members of my family quit smoking it without any problems? You sound as though you are a casual user, not a hard core user. Or maybe you have a less addictive personality- I know I do.
And just because you are not addicted doesn't mean others aren't.

I can assure you marijuana is not addictive. And for the most part it is hard for people to quit smoking, because they use marijuana to replace another addcition. it's not the drug that has the addiction qualities it is the person.

Some drugs, yes they should be outlawed. The harsher man made chemically drugs should go away. Marijuana has never killed anyone, no one ever od's, you don't get angry violent reactions, people can generally drive fine. What's the big deal? I hate alcohol, does not agree with me. So I should not be able to unwind and have a good time as well?

I am simply saying, maybe it doesn't agree with you, but there is no logical reason for marijuana to be illegal...

 

[ChristineES]

I can assure you marijuana is not addictive. And for the most part it is hard for people to quit smoking, because they use marijuana to replace another addcition. it's not the drug that has the addiction qualities it is the person.

Some drugs, yes they should be outlawed. The harsher man made chemically drugs should go away. Marijuana has never killed anyone, no one ever od's, you don't get angry violent reactions, people can generally drive fine. What's the big deal? I hate alcohol, does not agree with me. So I should not be able to unwind and have a good time as well?

I am simply saying, maybe it doesn't agree with you, but there is no logical reason for marijuana to be illegal...

You are right, in a way. We can agree to disagree on marijuana legalization. I live in California and in about 2 weeks I get to vote on whether it legal in California or not. I haven't decided yet (really).