Du'a Nudba contradicts the Bahai Faith.

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Salam

Why doesn't Rasool (s) say "except there is no Prophet after me until the Mahdi"

To me it's clear that Rasool when he states "except there is no Prophet after me", the Prophet (s) is not deceiving and would have clarified it to "until the Mahdi" if the Mahdi (s) was a Nabi.

Let me ask you a question first.

Is it required that All, including people of the Book, believe in the Qaim, when He comes?
Or as long as they believe in God and Day of Resurrection, it is enough?
Did you not say, if anyone disbelieves in the Qaim, there would be severe punishment?


Then how come, in the following verse, it does not include, "Believing in the Qaim" as one of the requirements?


“Surely, those who believed in Allah, and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabians, -whosoever believes in Allah and in the Last Day, and does good deeds - all such people will have their reward with their Lord, and there will be no reason for them to fear, nor shall they grieve”

Noticed? It says as long as people believe in God, and Day of Resurrection, and do good deeds, there is no reason for them to "fear"

Now, according to you, if anyone disbelieves in Qaim, will be punished.

Do you see the contradiction in your belief?

You have no choice, accept, to say, this is because "Day of Resurrection" in this verse, is the Day of Rise of the Qaim. So, it is included in the verse!

But if you say, the Qaim comes before the Last Day, then this verse, would have included the belief in Qaim in addition to the Resurrection.

Or did you think Allah forgot to mention about the Qaim, when He was saying this verse to Angel Gabriel? Which one is it?

 

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Let me ask you a question first.

Is it required that All, including people of the Book, believe in the Qaim, when He comes?
Or as long as they believe in God and Day of Resurrection, it is enough?
Did you not say, if anyone disbelieves in the Qaim, there would be severe punishment?


Then how come, in the following verse, it does not include, "Believing in the Qaim" as one of the requirements?


“Surely, those who believed in Allah, and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabians, -whosoever believes in Allah and in the Last Day, and does good deeds - all such people will have their reward with their Lord, and there will be no reason for them to fear, nor shall they grieve”

Noticed? It says as long as people believe in God, and Day of Resurrection, and do good deeds, there is no reason for them to "fear"

Now, according to you, if anyone disbelieves in Qaim, will be punished.

Do you see the contradiction in your belief?

You have no choice, accept, to say, this is because "Day of Resurrection" in this verse, is the Day of Rise of the Qaim. So, it is included in the verse!

But if you say, the Qaim comes before the Last Day, then this verse, would have included the belief in Qaim in addition to the Resurrection.

Or did you think Allah forgot to mention about the Qaim, when He was saying this verse to Angel Gabriel? Which one is it?

Salam

A similar expression can be found here:

يَوْمَ يَجْمَعُكُمْ لِيَوْمِ الْجَمْعِ ۖ ذَٰلِكَ يَوْمُ التَّغَابُنِ ۗ وَمَنْ يُؤْمِنْ بِاللَّهِ وَيَعْمَلْ صَالِحًا يُكَفِّرْ عَنْهُ سَيِّئَاتِهِ وَيُدْخِلْهُ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِنْ تَحْتِهَا الْأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا أَبَدًا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ | When He will you bring you together for the Day of Gathering, it will be a day of privation [and regret]. As for those who have faith in Allah and act righteously, He shall absolve them of their misdeeds and admit them into gardens with streams running in them, to remain in them forever. That is the great success. | At-Taghaabun : 9

And it's explained further:

مَا أَصَابَ مِنْ مُصِيبَةٍ إِلَّا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۗ وَمَنْ يُؤْمِنْ بِاللَّهِ يَهْدِ قَلْبَهُ ۚ وَاللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ | No affliction visits [anyone] except by Allah’s leave and whoever has faith in Allah, He guides his heart, and Allah has knowledge of all things. | At-Taghaabun : 11


Similarly, other places in Quran mention being righteous as sufficient to be in paradise. But it's implied that you believe in God's Signs and Messengers if you truly believe in God.

 

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Salam

A similar expression can be found here:

يَوْمَ يَجْمَعُكُمْ لِيَوْمِ الْجَمْعِ ۖ ذَٰلِكَ يَوْمُ التَّغَابُنِ ۗ وَمَنْ يُؤْمِنْ بِاللَّهِ وَيَعْمَلْ صَالِحًا يُكَفِّرْ عَنْهُ سَيِّئَاتِهِ وَيُدْخِلْهُ جَنَّاتٍ تَجْرِي مِنْ تَحْتِهَا الْأَنْهَارُ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا أَبَدًا ۚ ذَٰلِكَ الْفَوْزُ الْعَظِيمُ | When He will you bring you together for the Day of Gathering, it will be a day of privation [and regret]. As for those who have faith in Allah and act righteously, He shall absolve them of their misdeeds and admit them into gardens with streams running in them, to remain in them forever. That is the great success. | At-Taghaabun : 9

In this verse, it mentions Day of Resurrection in the beginningof the verse.
It says, when Day of Resurrection comes, then "On that Day" whoever believes in Allah, and do good deeds, will enter the Paradise.

Which is consistent with Baha'i belief, that Day of Resurrect has come, and now, whoever is a true believer in Allah, and do good deeds enters Paradise (i.e. the new Faith).

And it's explained further:

مَا أَصَابَ مِنْ مُصِيبَةٍ إِلَّا بِإِذْنِ اللَّهِ ۗ وَمَنْ يُؤْمِنْ بِاللَّهِ يَهْدِ قَلْبَهُ ۚ وَاللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ | No affliction visits [anyone] except by Allah’s leave and whoever has faith in Allah, He guides his heart, and Allah has knowledge of all things. | At-Taghaabun : 11

Yes, this verse is for today, our time.

Similarly, other places in Quran mention being righteous as sufficient to be in paradise. But it's implied that you believe in God's Signs and Messengers if you truly believe in God.

I don't think so. Being Righteous is not enough. You also need to believe in Allah, and Day of Resurrection. Because, these verses are meant to provide a clear path to enter Paradise. It does not leave anything for guessing or implying.
If it was so, then, anyone could think, they are doing good deeds, and they don't need to believe in the Qaim at the time of His Manifestation. A Jew, may say, I am doing good deeds, since I am following the Laws of Torah.

 

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Salam

There's verses showing doing good is enough to enter paradise:

وَقِيلَ لِلَّذِينَ اتَّقَوْا مَاذَا أَنْزَلَ رَبُّكُمْ ۚ قَالُوا خَيْرًا ۗ لِلَّذِينَ أَحْسَنُوا فِي هَٰذِهِ الدُّنْيَا حَسَنَةٌ ۚ وَلَدَارُ الْآخِرَةِ خَيْرٌ ۚ وَلَنِعْمَ دَارُ الْمُتَّقِينَ | But those who were Godwary will be asked, ‘What is it that your Lord has sent down?’ They will say, ‘Good.’ For those who do good in this world there will be a good [reward], and the abode of the Hereafter is better, and the abode of the Godwary is surely excellent: | An-Nahl : 30

In fact, just wanting the next world will get you it:

مَنْ كَانَ يُرِيدُ حَرْثَ الْآخِرَةِ نَزِدْ لَهُ فِي حَرْثِهِ ۖ وَمَنْ كَانَ يُرِيدُ حَرْثَ الدُّنْيَا نُؤْتِهِ مِنْهَا وَمَا لَهُ فِي الْآخِرَةِ مِنْ نَصِيبٍ | Whoever desires the tillage of the Hereafter, We will enhance for him his tillage, and whoever desires the tillage of the world, We will give it to him, but he will have no share in the Hereafter. | Ash-Shura : 20

And fearing God will get you paradise:

وَلِمَنْ خَافَ مَقَامَ رَبِّهِ جَنَّتَانِ | And he who fears the station of his Lord will be two gardens. | Ar-Rahmaan : 46



The way Quran states these things, they are like a domino effect, if you fear God, you desire next world and you will do good and will you believe in the Prophets and day of judgment and so on and so forth.

 

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Why didn't Nabi (s) say to Ali (a) "You are from me the place of Haroun from Musa except there is no Nabi after me till the Mahdi"? You have not answered this. Him omitting the Imam Mahdi (a) means Imam Mahdi (a) is a non-Nabi.

Don't side track and answer directly.

 

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Why didn't Nabi (s) say to Ali (a) "You are from me the place of Haroun from Musa except there is no Nabi after me till the Mahdi"?

It does not have to say this in one Hadith together.

The truth can be revealed in various Hadithes, and in form of allusions and hints. Only if we aquire the whole knowledge, we can see the intended message.

Only if we get different pieces of the puzzle from various Hadithes and put them together we get the whole picture.

They meant it to be that way, so, it may be a Test.
Testing Ummah, has been always a major part of the Religion of God. It is for the same reason that Torah does not speak about Jesus explicitly, or Bible does not speak about Muhammad explicitly, or the Quran does not speak about 12 Imams explicitly. It is meant to be a test. One needs to discover the truth, rather than God easily give it.

Thus in some Hadithes they have said there is no Prophet after Muhammad. There is no more Revelation after Quran.

Yet, in Other Hadithes They have said, the Qaim comes with a new Book, a New Way of Life, a New Command from Heaven. it is alluded that the Mahdi is a Prophet. He is the most similar to Muhammad, etc.

It is meant to guide the ones who think and realize the purpose of God, by understanding the complete Message.

Those who think and understand allusions and hints, must be separated from those who do not understand.

It is also a test of fairness. If one accepts both Hadithes, or only the parts they like.

Because Allah in Quran rebuked this behavior of the Previous People who only accepted part of the scriptures and rejected another part. Now, He tests Muslims in this way. Because He tests, from the lessons He taught in the Book.

It is like many verses of the Quran. We can understand the Message of the Quran, if we read and understand different verses of different Surrahs of the Quran. Some verses can be understood when, we understand other things from another Surrah.

You have not answered this. Him omitting the Imam Mahdi (a) means Imam Mahdi (a) is a non-Nabi.

Don't side track and answer directly.

Also, I want to say, that, the default is, there will always be Prophets.

Because God, always sent Prophets, so, why should one think Allah would stop it?

It is always, beneficial for humanity to receive guidence in a new Age, when situations and conditions of people changes from the past ages.

The knowledge of God is infinite. His grace is endless. Why should He stop His grace in teaching us more and more, whenever humanity is ready to know more?
His knowledge is like an ocean. Everytime He sent down a Book, is like only a drop from the ocean of His knowledge.

 

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It does not have to say this in one Hadith together.

The hadith does have to state it or otherwise it does mean there is no more Prophets. Other hadiths would mean it contradicts what he said if it did say otherwise.

Anyways, bro, it's been good, but I spend too much time and energy on your posts. I don't think either of us will change views. So I'm going to block you for at least a year. It's too much time and energy.

 

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The hadith does have to state it or otherwise it does mean there is no more Prophets. Other hadiths would mean it contradicts what he said if it did say otherwise.

Anyways, bro, it's been good, but I spend too much time and energy on your posts. I don't think either of us will change views. So I'm going to block you for at least a year. It's too much time and energy.

Sure take a break as you need.

 

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Ye

Sure take a break as you need.

The world meanwhile, also takes a break from God.

Regards Tony