Earth and life, is it predetermined or accidentally developed?

[FearGod]

Please explain why you think earth and life was predetermined
and if not then explain why you think it wasn't predetermined.

 

[Altfish]

Can we have a "None of the above" because none of the options describes evolution.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Please explain why you think earth and life was predetermined
and if not then explain why you think it wasn't predetermined.

It isnt predetermined.

We did not exist before we were born. When we were born, energy or life that moves things created a person (and all nature, the earth, the universe). We live a short life and death (termination of life) can happen at any moment.

Death is not predetermined either. As soon as we are born we are in the process of dying. When we die, that is it. The spirit that created us (as described above, the energy) dissipates as we turn to ashes and return to earth and ocean. When we die, its lights out.

I like this (I repeat it a lot since its good)

Life asked death: Why do people like me and hate you?

Death replied: Because you are a beautiful lie and I am a painful truth.

I can see why we would think life is predetermined. It assumes that we dont just pop from thin air but we are planned. Its a nice lie; though, in my experience, not at all the Truth.

 

[FearGod]

Can we have a "None of the above" because none of the options describes evolution.

Before evolution earth should be existed, do you think it was ready for the
born of life and the evolution of life as a result of accidental events or
predetermined to be as we see it today.

First earth should be ready for life, next life should started and then be able to evolve.
Do you believe it just happened to be so or due to a predetermined plan?

 

[Quintessence]

Can we have a "None of the above" because none of the options describes evolution.

I have the same problem. Even if I approach this question on a more philosophical level, I don't follow the dichotomy laid out.

 

[Altfish]

Before evolution earth should be existed, do you think it was ready for the
born of life and the evolution of life as a result of accidental events or
predetermined to be as we see it today.

First earth should be ready for life, next life should started and then be able to evolve.
Do you believe it just happened to be so or due to a predetermined plan?

Why do you insist on using the word 'accidental' all the time? By doing that you are making me disagree with all your options. There is nothing accidental about evolution. Or abiogenesis for that matter.

 

[FearGod]

It isnt predetermined.

We did not exist before we were born. When we were born, energy or life that moves things created a person (and all nature, the earth, the universe). We live a short life and death (termination of life) can happen at any moment.

Death is not predetermined either. As soon as we are born we are in the process of dying. When we die, that is it. The spirit that created us (as described above, the energy) dissipates as we turn to ashes and return to earth and ocean. When we die, its lights out.

I like this (I repeat it a lot since its good)

Life asked death: Why do people like me and hate you?

Death replied: Because you are a beautiful lie and I am a painful truth.

I can see why we would think life is predetermined. It assumes that we dont just pop from thin air but we are planned. Its a nice lie; though, in my experience, not at all the Truth.

Even though we didn't exist before being born but we came to life by process,
we didn't came by accidental events but predetermined ones.

Death by itself is more to a plan than a result accidental events, what do you think?

 

[Nakosis]

Please explain why you think earth and life was predetermined
and if not then explain why you think it wasn't predetermined.

Well it wasn't predetermined because our choices determine the future and prior to that person making their choices, nothing was determined.

By accidents do you mean randomness? I see randomness as unpredictable events. For whatever reason the outcome couldn't be predicted. Some events are predicted, some events are unpredicted/random/accidental. So both accidental and predictable events.

If you are talking specifically about how life came to be. Since no one was around to make the predictions, I suppose you could see it as accidental.

 

[FearGod]

Why do you insist on using the word 'accidental' all the time? By doing that you are making me disagree with all your options. There is nothing accidental about evolution. Or abiogenesis for that matter.

Accidental is the opposite of predetermined, if nothing planned for it then it just happened
to be so, if you don't like the word accidents, then we may say instead "it just happened to be so"

 

[Twilight Hue]

Please explain why you think earth and life was predetermined
and if not then explain why you think it wasn't predetermined.

It's no more predetermined then the thought itself that asked the question.

 

[FearGod]

Well it wasn't predetermined because our choices determine the future and prior to that person making their choices, nothing was determined.

By accidents do you mean randomness? I see randomness as unpredictable events. For whatever reason the outcome couldn't be predicted. Some events are predicted, some events are unpredicted/random/accidental. So both accidental and predictable events.

If you are talking specifically about how life came to be. Since no one was around to make the predictions, I suppose you could see it as accidental.

Accidents can destroy, for example a disastrous asteroid may collide with earth,
now if such events happen continuously then life won't exist.

Now, do you think it just happened that earth is safe that life evolved and all things
just accidentally led to this evolution of life on earth?

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Even though we didn't exist before being born but we came to life by process,
we didn't came by accidental events but predetermined ones.

Death by itself is more to a plan than a result accidental events, what do you think?

Thanks for the reply. I honestly don't think so. That process of birth is from energy at the source. It causes things to form, change, dissipate, combine, etc into what we consider new things but they're just changing.

I try not to see them as accidental because I rather put meaning into life so I can be thankful. The thing is, I don't see a reason to say life has origin or meaning in itself apart from me. The earth and people aren't special to the universe. We make meaning. That's how culture and religions come together. Through meaning.

With death, I don't believe so. A doctor can just knock me out with anesthesia and I have no recollection of what happened during both my surgeries (thank gosh). It's very disturbing that humans can control people's conscious state and take our lives if they so feel. After that, there is no recollection forever.

But people find meaning in death by god(s), practices, avatars, etc and use these things and practices to live and be grateful. I can see how we would think we were predetermined. But I feel that's man trying to make sense of a world that can survive without him.

 

[FearGod]

Thanks for the reply. I honestly don't think so. That process of birth is from energy at the source. It causes things to form, change, dissipate, combine, etc into what we consider new things but they're just changing.

I try not to see them as accidental because I rather put meaning into life so I can be thankful. The thing is, I don't see a reason to say life has origin or meaning in itself apart from me. The earth and people aren't special to the universe. We make meaning. That's how culture and religions come together. Through meaning.

With death, I don't believe so. A doctor can just knock me out with anesthesia and I have no recollection of what happened during both my surgeries (thank gosh). It's very disturbing that humans can control people's conscious state and take our lives if they so feel. After that, there is no recollection forever.

But people find meaning in death by god(s), practices, avatars, etc and use these things and practices to live and be grateful. I can see how we would think we were predetermined. But I feel that's man trying to make sense of a world that can survive without him.

Do you think that your life will be possible without your father and mother being involved?
you didn't came by accident or happened to be here, it started by semen, sperms, ovum
and these have occurred by a process that takes place in the uterus,
Don't you think you existed by a plan?

 

[Brickjectivity]

Please explain why you think earth and life was predetermined
and if not then explain why you think it wasn't predetermined.

There is a possibility based upon Algebra and other Maths, just a possibility, that it is both. What I mean is that we may all be shadows, some kind of existence within concept. I do not mean a computer simulation or a mental imagination. I mean we might be all an expression of order, much like the number line is an expression of order. In that case we are both caused and accidental depending on how we look at things.

 

[Regiomontanus]

Please explain why you think earth and life was predetermined
and if not then explain why you think it wasn't predetermined.

Our cosmos is governed by law and chance. So your poll options are insufficient.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Do you think that your life will be possible without your father and mother being involved?
you didn't came by accident or happened to be here, it started by semen, sperms, ovum
and these have occurred by a process that takes place in the uterus,
Don't you think you existed by a plan?

Actually, I dont see it that way. Since everything forms and changes, etc, my parents didnt create me (they didnt create their own sperm and egg), they were, cant think of the right word, vehicles that put together already existing things to form a new human being.

Its the same with, say, maggots. We can put rotten food in alumnum foil and while we created the means for maggots to grow, we didnt create the living creatures themselves. We dont create life. We are born into and die out of it.

I dont consider babies are born as planned. Sometimes women can birth a stillbaby. Sometimes people have sex and there is no conception; while, other times, desite protection, out comes a child.

We try to control life and death even define it with religions and culture. Which isnt wrong in and of itself, it helps a lot of people. Innately, if we didnt have brains to rationalize, the world (earth) wouldnt care. It just turns without us.

I see what youre saying about the parents. They provide the means for creation but they dont create. They plan to have a baby but they dont control life just because they plan for it.

 

[Regiomontanus]

There is a possibility based upon Algebra and other Maths, just a possibility, that it is both. What I mean is that we may all be shadows, some kind of existence within concept. I do not mean a computer simulation or a mental imagination. I mean we might be all an expression of order, much like the number line is an expression of order. In that case we are both caused and accidental depending on how we look at things.

Hello. The idealism of Plato?

"...whenever we grasp an idea, or see something with our mind's eye, we are using our mind to conceive of something in the ideal world. There are a number of proofs of this ideal world."

Idealism

 

[SomeRandom]

Umm neither. Life just....is. The processes behind them are not random, nor do I see evidence that life is predetermined.

 

[Nakosis]

Accidents can destroy, for example a disastrous asteroid may collide with earth,
now if such events happen continuously then life won't exist.

Now, do you think it just happened that earth is safe that life evolved and all things
just accidentally led to this evolution of life on earth?

So your thinking is that God prevents asteroids from hitting the earth?

Asteroids do hit the earth. Unless it's bigger than a car they usually burn up in the atmosphere. Every 2000 years an asteroid large enough to impact the earth hits and causes significant damage.

On the cosmic scale of space and time a human lifetime is pretty short to think our experience of astral events is the norm.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Can we have a "None of the above" because none of the options describes evolution.

Evolution is predetermined?

I know theres a pattern, but how would it not be an accidental random state of events?