Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Totally off topic: that little girl in your avatar, real or a doll? Looks like Chucky's cousin - maybe it is just me but she looks kind of creepy
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Earth and life, is it predetermined or accidentally developed?
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Totally off topic: that little girl in your avatar, real or a doll? Looks like Chucky's cousin - maybe it is just me but she looks kind of creepy
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Totally off topic: that little girl in your avatar, real or a doll? Looks like Chucky's cousin - maybe it is just me but she looks kind of creepy
Yeah. My mother was lonely so she collected almost twenty so far "Reborn Dolls." Look it up. Mother does have chucky! haha.
They're not real but they are really expensive. I was thinking of getting one myself but probably take one of my mothers cause I dont want to spend over two hundred dollars for them.
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Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Oh good. After I asked that I thought, man, maybe that it is a cousin or grandkid! That would have been embarassing!
Plato does not have access to the Math and Physics that we have. He envisions a ghostly ideal version of all things. This is different. Plato suggests there must be an ideal triangle which is the perfect ideal of all triangles. He gets interested in ideals and posits that physical entities are somehow less real than his ideals. By this means he casts out anything he considers to be imperfect, but this ignores that imperfect things exist. Modern Physics suggests that all things exist in a continuum, eternally; and that History is no different than the Present. All things exists together as part of the universe. Plato does not account for Relativity and thinks that things disappear over time: the fire that goes out is no longer in existence for Plato, but for us it is merely in the past which still exists despite being hidden from our sight.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
I believe that it is unknowingly determined. I think that cause and effect apply but that the complexity of the whole unfolding of the universe is such that no being could knowingly determine its outcome.
So given the fundamental particles no one can knowingly determine the atoms and molecules. Given the molecular, no one could knowingly determine the biological and so on...
Regiomontanus
Eastern Orthodox
Hello. OK, that explains your view more clearly; I was not sure of what you were saying in your shorter, earler post.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
I didn't say that God prevents asteroids from hitting earth, but the point is that if
accidents involved such as asteroids hitting earth then it was a matter of luck
that earth escaped and life evolved, for me I don't have faith on accidents and luck,
that's me.
Neither.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Accidents that lead to nothing or damage, I won't have a fried chicken by accident.
Jumi
Well-Known Member
I talked to a vegan who ate chicken by accident. They had put that in her salad, thinking it's a vegetable. So it could very well be intelligent design.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
I suppose many planets have a potential to be earths. Things such as exoplanets. But they never make it.
But earth isnt designed. Earth was the product of laws, and chances. Earth's becoming has enabled latent natural life forces to act to bring about life intelligently but far from ideal. Trial and error.
Its almost as if the universe is trying to be more than it is. Its a failed attempt at greatness.
Consciousness is fundamental, otherwise we would not be here. Life is not the sole product of raw, brute physics.
Consciousness is bound by natural laws so it cant do whatever it wants.
I dont think that fundamental consciousness is singular, or god like. But it must be eternal.
Consciousness is part of an eternal life force.
Thats what i suspect is the case. If existence was otherwise then life is a miracle that had no business existing, and the odds against it are extremely probable.
But earth isnt designed. Earth was the product of laws, and chances. Earth's becoming has enabled latent natural life forces to act to bring about life intelligently but far from ideal. Trial and error.
Its almost as if the universe is trying to be more than it is. Its a failed attempt at greatness.
Consciousness is fundamental, otherwise we would not be here. Life is not the sole product of raw, brute physics.
Consciousness is bound by natural laws so it cant do whatever it wants.
I dont think that fundamental consciousness is singular, or god like. But it must be eternal.
Consciousness is part of an eternal life force.
Thats what i suspect is the case. If existence was otherwise then life is a miracle that had no business existing, and the odds against it are extremely probable.
Salvador
RF's Swedenborgian
Life is definitely predetermined as evident by how the numeric and semantic message of 037 appears in our genetic code. Each codon relates to 3 other particular codons having the same particular type of initial nucleobase and sequential nucleobase subsequently then followed by a different ending nucleobase. Half of these 4 set of codon groups ( whole family codons ) each code for the same particular amino acid. The other half of those 4 set of codon groups ( split codons ) don't code for the same amino acid. So then, in the case of whole family codons, there are 37 amino acid peptide chain nucleons for each relevant nucleobase determinant of how a particular amino acid gets coded. Start codons express 0 at the beginning of 37. Hence, the meaningful numeric and semantic message of 037 gets unambiguously and factually conveyed to us descendants of our cosmic ancestor(s) with our genetic code invented by a superior intelligence beyond that of anybody presently bound to Earth.
“There is no plausible chemical logic to couple directly the triplets and the amino acids. In other words, the principles of chemistry where not the sought essence of the genetic code”
“The zero is the supreme abstraction of arithmetic. Its use by any alphabet, including the genetic code, can be an indicator of artificiality.”
"The place-value decimal system represented through digital symmetry of the numbers divisible by prime number (PN 037). This arithmetical syntactic feature is an innate attribute of the genetic code. The PN 037 notation with a leading zero emphasizes zero's equal participation in the digital symmetry. Numbers written by identical digits are devised by PN 037*3=111 and 1+1+1=3 and appear regularly [from the figure: 037*6 =222 and 2+2+2=6, 037*9=333 and 3+3+3 =9, 037*4=444 and 4+4+4=12, 037*15=555 and 5+5+5=15, 037*18=666 and 6+6+6=18, 037*21=777 and 7+7+7 =21. 037*24 =888 and 8+8+8=24, 037*27=999 and 9+9+9=27.)"
"There is a complete set of information symbols utilizing the decimal syntax 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 777, 888, 999 in the genetic code. Each of these symbols consists uniformly of a carrier (balanced nucleons) and a meaning (the decimal syntax)."
Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code
“There is no plausible chemical logic to couple directly the triplets and the amino acids. In other words, the principles of chemistry where not the sought essence of the genetic code”
“The zero is the supreme abstraction of arithmetic. Its use by any alphabet, including the genetic code, can be an indicator of artificiality.”
"The place-value decimal system represented through digital symmetry of the numbers divisible by prime number (PN 037). This arithmetical syntactic feature is an innate attribute of the genetic code. The PN 037 notation with a leading zero emphasizes zero's equal participation in the digital symmetry. Numbers written by identical digits are devised by PN 037*3=111 and 1+1+1=3 and appear regularly [from the figure: 037*6 =222 and 2+2+2=6, 037*9=333 and 3+3+3 =9, 037*4=444 and 4+4+4=12, 037*15=555 and 5+5+5=15, 037*18=666 and 6+6+6=18, 037*21=777 and 7+7+7 =21. 037*24 =888 and 8+8+8=24, 037*27=999 and 9+9+9=27.)"
"There is a complete set of information symbols utilizing the decimal syntax 111, 222, 333, 444, 555, 666, 777, 888, 999 in the genetic code. Each of these symbols consists uniformly of a carrier (balanced nucleons) and a meaning (the decimal syntax)."
Reference: The "Wow! signal" of the terrestrial genetic code. Vladimir l. shCherbak and Maxim A. Makukov. Redirectinghttps://www.scribd.com/document/35302916...netic-Code
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Altfish
Veteran Member
Evolution is by natural selection. i.e. beneficial traits are favoured, nothing accidental about that.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
They were naturally selected because they have succeeded to evolve,
mutations which is random is what makes them change.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Yes, mutations are random. BUT detrimental mutations are soon discarded and die out, leaving advantageous or benign mutations to hopefully thrive.
FearGod
Freedom Of Mind
Those organisms with the detrimental mutations will naturally die and won't
be passed to the next generations, randomness is the major key for changes
to happen and for the advantageous mutations to occur.
Altfish
Veteran Member
But your option in the poll at the head of this thread was...
I believe it was due to a collection of accidental events
...that does not reflect what you are now saying!