Eating a Dog

[Bathos Logos]

True, you can get your B12 and stuff from dairy products -- still animal products.

You ultimately get B12 from bacteria. They even culture something called "nutritional yeast" which is relatively high in B12. From what I have heard, they let the bacteria feast on molasses, and the dried resulting flakes are what are known as "nutritional yeast". No actual, higher-order "animals" involved.

It is also possible to get B12 from contaminated (i.e. crapped on) vegetation. Basically, the bacteria in the gut of many animals produce quite a bit of B12 (rats even have a second digestive tract that passes waste through a second time, after the bacteria has a chance to manufacture B12), and so it is present in fecal matter.

But the point still stands. Our bodies are designed to eat both meat and veggies.

There is a good amount of evidence to suggest that large quantities of meat were never expected to be a part of our diets. Some, perhaps. But most people eat far more (nearly ever meal for a lot of people) than we're designed for. For example, full-blown carnivores have a very short digestive tract, which means that rotting meat (and all the bacteria that comes with it) doesn't stay in their systems for very long at all. Our digestive tract, on the other hand, is enormously long. This means that any meat we do eat is bound for a pretty long journey through our system, and this isn't an advantageous thing, hence the reason long digestive tracts were bred out of, or avoided by developing carnivores. Our human propensity and ability to "cook" meat saves us here quite a bit, as we have killed most of the bad bacteria by the time it hits the relatively "long haul" processes of our digestive system. So, if we were eating raw meat (the way all other animals do), then a lot of people continuing with their current levels of meat consumption, and given their long digestive tracts, would likely run into complications.

So yes, we're omnivores. A simple examination of our teeth confirms this. But by no means does this mean that we need meat at every meal, or even every day, or even at all!

As an aside - as far as dairy goes - in what way would it even make sense for us to develop requiring the gestationally produced milk products of an entirely different species? In short... we don't require it. At all. It is concentrated nutrient, sure. But if you listened to (for example) the US FDA at times, you'd walk away thinking we humans need dairy. This simply cannot be possible. Need calcium in some form? Sure. But need "dairy"? No.

 

[Koldo]

Nothing "wrong" with eating meat.

I got that part. What I didn't get is how you have reached this conclusion.

Your rationale seems to be like:

1) We have evolved to eat meat.
2) If someone evolves to eat meat, there is nothing wrong with eating meat.
3) We have evolved to eat meat, and therefore there is nothing wrong with eating meat.

I am left wondering why evolving to eat meat has anything to do with it being right or wrong.

Perhaps you are confusing "morality" with "justifiability". They will likely see their own infidelity as justifiable, but that of their spouse as not. Morality might not even be a consideration.
It is generally a mistake to project your own moral values onto others.

That doesn't change the fact they view cheating as immoral, even though they might think of their particular circumstance as exempting them from being wrong for cheating.

 

[KWED]

Is flexivegan a thing? I can't keep up. If it is then.....oh no I won't say...

What is flexi-veganism, and how can you follow it?
It makes perfect sense when you think about it. I enjoy all the health and environmental benefits of a plant-based diet, but can also enjoy a nice bit of locally produced, organic, free-range belly pork if it's on the menu.

 

[KWED]

I got that part. What I didn't get is how you have reached this conclusion.

Your rationale seems to be like:

1) We have evolved to eat meat.
2) If someone evolves to eat meat, there is nothing wrong with eating meat.
3) We have evolved to eat meat, and therefore there is nothing wrong with eating meat.

I am left wondering why evolving to eat meat has anything to do with it being right or wrong.

That was my point. It isn't a moral issue. It is neither "right" nor "wrong". It simply "is".

That doesn't change the fact they view cheating as immoral, even though they might think of their particular circumstance as exempting them from being wrong for cheating.

There you go again, projecting your own morality onto others. You may consider it immoral, others may not. It is not a "fact", as you claim.
Morality is subjective and differs from person to person.

 

[stvdv]

Yes. People who know what they are talking about.

Humans are animals

Put differently

Human = Animal (X=Y)
Hence
Animal = Human (Y=X)

Well, hence I don't say
"Humans are animals"

 

[Vee]

So, did I do wrong?

Not my place to judge, but I see where you're getting. Should we see all the animals the same way? From a moral stand point I guess so, but that's not what happens. A dog is a pet, and a pet is normally someone's friend or even a family member. Even though it is "just" an animal, there is an emotional attachment that qualifies it differently from farm animals raised to kill and be cut into meat chunks.
Personally, if I had to kill animals myself to eat the meat, I think I would prefer to become vegetarian.

 

[stvdv]

After all, if he eats meat, isn't that eating another animal as I did?

So, did I do wrong?

Normally I am not a fan of ads
But this one on RF was to the point

Coincidence?

"Alles voor je dier"
means
"Everything you need for your pet"
(Ads from PetsPlace)

 

[Bathos Logos]

Humans are animals

Put differently

Human = Animal (X=Y)
Hence
Animal = Human (Y=X)

Well, hence I don't say
"Humans are animals"

It doesn't work this way. "Human" does not literally equal "Animal" and "Animal" does not literally equal "Human". That's not what anyone is saying.

Humans are a subset of being that fits the more broad definition (or set) of "animal". Sets are not necessarily equal to their subsets, and a subset is not necessarily equal to its set. Therefore, while all humans are animals, it is also true that not all animals are humans.

Something perhaps more relatable for you that should clear up your misunderstanding:

Take the statement: "Catholics are Christians"

The above is true. You cannot, however, say that "Catholic = Christian", right? Because they don't mean the same thing, nor count among their members the same individuals. The whole of Christianity is not "Catholic". There are many different sects or denominations of Christianity, and therefore many different types of Christian, not all of whom call themselves "Catholic". So, while all Catholics are Christians (just as all Humans are Animals), it is still true that not all Christians are Catholics (just as not all Animals are Human).

 

[Secret Chief]

You ultimately get B12 from bacteria. They even culture something called "nutritional yeast" which is relatively high in B12.

yes. Nice sprinkled on beans on toast. A cheesy sort of taste.

 

[Secret Chief]

What is flexi-veganism, and how can you follow it?
It makes perfect sense when you think about it. I enjoy all the health and environmental benefits of a plant-based diet, but can also enjoy a nice bit of locally produced, organic, free-range belly pork if it's on the menu.

From that link:
"It’s basically the vegan version of flexitarian. Anyone following the diet eats mainly vegan, but allows themselves the odd bit of dairy, meat or fish whenever they feel like it."
Reminds me of the 3 meanings of the word vegan:
1. A type of diet.
2. A person who follows such a diet.
3. A person who has a certain total "lifestyle", not just diet. (eg wears no leather. I saw an advert recently for some running shoes which were described as vegan).

 

[Secret Chief]

maybe I should have said I grilled a cat?

hold my beer...

 

[Debater Slayer]

Moderators, sorry for the repeated responses you read above but so many seem to have thought that this really did happen.

Would you like us to add this clarification to your OP?

 

[Messianic Israelite]

OK, about a decade ago, I was going to barbeque some meat that my wife was supposed to thaw out for me but forgot, thus I had my grill out but nothing to put on it. However, my neighbor's obnoxious dog was outside, so I went over to their house, took their dog, skinned it, cut it up, and then put it on the grill.

When the neighbor came home and found out what I'd done, I offered him money for the dog, but he still was angry. So, I asked him if he ever ate meat, and he said yes, so I then asked him what the problem was as I was more than willing to pay him for the dog. After all, if he eats meat, isn't that eating another animal as I did?

So, did I do wrong?

Hi metis. Good evening. Three things you did wrong according to Yahweh's Law. Firstly, you failed to show love to your neighbor, a law in the Hebrew Scriptures, by taking something that wasn't yours without permission. You also stole, another violation of the Law and although no Chr-stian will accept this, you also violated the dietary laws as dog meat is not suitable for consumption as according to Leviticus 11. According to Yahweh's Law, it is acceptable to eat meat so long as it meets the requirements set forth in Leviticus 11. Not all meats were created by Yahweh to be eaten. Some animals were created for the purpose of cleansing the seas, or the lands, to which they inhabit. Other animals were created for other purposes.

With so many diseases about, it amazes me that people still don't look to Yahweh's Law. Yahweh's Law is what will help to keep us healthy in mind and body. That as well as the blessings Yahweh gives for keeping His Laws as mentioned in scriptures such as Exodus 15:26.

And yes, I understand that it is a hypothetical situation.

 

[Secret Chief]

Would you like us to add this clarification to your OP?

NO ANIMALS WERE HARMED IN THE MAKING OF THIS O.P.

 

[Secret Chief]

Personally, if I had to kill animals myself to eat the meat, I think I would prefer to become vegetarian.

This seems a common sentiment but it always seems odd to me.

 

[Fallen Prophet]

OK, about a decade ago, I was going to barbeque some meat that my wife was supposed to thaw out for me but forgot, thus I had my grill out but nothing to put on it. However, my neighbor's obnoxious dog was outside, so I went over to their house, took their dog, skinned it, cut it up, and then put it on the grill.

When the neighbor came home and found out what I'd done, I offered him money for the dog, but he still was angry. So, I asked him if he ever ate meat, and he said yes, so I then asked him what the problem was as I was more than willing to pay him for the dog. After all, if he eats meat, isn't that eating another animal as I did?

So, did I do wrong?

Yes - you did wrong.

 

[Secret Chief]

it amazes me that people still don't look to Yahweh's Law.

Contemporary information is a better guide to the requirements for a good human diet.

 

[pearl]

But the point still stands. Our bodies are designed to eat both meat and veggies.

Unless they're not. My daughter has hemochromatosis, and its a killer if not treated. There is no cure, no medication, the only treatment is phlebotomy. Its caused by the liver not processing the iron but storing it thus reaching dangerous levels of saturation. She eats no processed food, or as little as possible. She does no dairy except for eggs and then only the whites, and a lot of seafood. I always tell people if they're having a routine blood test for any reason, ask to have the iron level checked as its not always routine.

 

[Messianic Israelite]

Contemporary information is a better guide to the requirements for a good human diet.

Hi Secret Chief. Good evening. Given enough time, the science of keeping the Laws would prove Yahweh's Law to be good and perfect Laws. I don't know if we have that much time allotted to us before our Savior Yahshua the Messiah returns. Contemporary information is always changing. Eggs are good for you. Eggs are bad for you. Avoid red meat. Enjoy red meat in moderation. Butter is out. Butter is back. According to a recent International Food Information Council Foundation survey, 80 percent of people feel confused about nutrition and this is partly because of the conflicting things scientific research has yielded about certain foods.

The Bible can be trusted. I can say that by eating a balanced diet and keeping the dietary laws has helped to keep me in optimum health. Isaiah 40:8 says "8 The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our Elohim shall stand forever." Yahweh knows best. He created mankind and He knows what is good for our bodies.

 

[Secret Chief]

Hi Secret Chief. Good evening. Given enough time, the science of keeping the Laws would prove Yahweh's Law to be good and perfect Laws. I don't know if we have that much time allotted to us before our Savior Yahshua the Messiah returns. Contemporary information is always changing. Eggs are good for you. Eggs are bad for you. Avoid red meat. Enjoy red meat in moderation. Butter is out. Butter is back. According to a recent International Food Information Council Foundation survey, 80 percent of people feel confused about nutrition and this is partly because of the conflicting things scientific research has yielded about certain foods.

The Bible can be trusted. I can say that by eating a balanced diet and keeping the dietary laws has helped to keep me in optimum health. Isaiah 40:8 says "8 The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our Elohim shall stand forever." Yahweh knows best. He created mankind and He knows what is good for our bodies.

From that survey of Americans, 59% say they have heightened stress while food shopping. Odd. Maybe the stress makes them eat more?