Emma Watson

[Avi1001]

Very cool, check it out:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/arti...tson?_mSplash=1&trk=tod-home-art-list-large_0

 

[Avi1001]

Great speech, Emma is the new generation of feminist. Her message crosses nationalities, race even gender.

She does not speak of victimization, but empowerment.

Spoken clearly and powerfully, she will be an agent for change for many years !

Anyone agree ? Disagree ?

 

[Sunstone]

It's a mystery to me why feminism is so frequently associated with man-hating. I get that the charge likely originates as a slur by anti-feminists, but the mystery is why it has caught on? Near as I can figure, it's like Twain said, "A lie can travel half way around the world in the time it takes for the truth to get its boots on."

As for the notion that feminism benefits men too, I consider that a no-brainer. That doesn't mean I don't think Watson is brilliant for pushing the HeforShe campaign. I think she's got the strategically right cause and brings to that cause considerable persuasive talent. But it's just that I'm a feminist almost as much for myself as for women. Patriarchy, if you look at it closely enough, is intrinsically about restricting the natural rights of the vast majority of both men and women.

 

[Avi1001]

Good post, Phil. Although you didn't comment about Emma's response.

I do not think the association with man-hating is simply a slur. I think there are radicalized groups on both sides (of course not you or I, Phil ).

I personally always support minorities....because I am a minority myself...I am a humanist, liberal, feminist, reform Jew....so it is quite obvious to me that repressing 51% of our population cannot be good for our society.

It will be interesting to see the direction that Emma takes the movement. It will also be interesting to see if she has the intellectual capacity to lead such an important movement. Lets hope so.

It is remarkable to me that the first two feminists to speak out about this development in this forum are males.

Don't any women care about this development ? Amazing.

It's a mystery to me why feminism is so frequently associated with man-hating. I get that the charge likely originates as a slur by anti-feminists, but the mystery is why it has caught on? Near as I can figure, it's like Twain said, "A lie can travel half way around the world in the time it takes for the truth to get its boots on."

As for the notion that feminism benefits men too, I consider that a no-brainer. That doesn't mean I don't think Watson is brilliant for pushing the HeforShe campaign. I think she's got the strategically right cause and brings to that cause considerable persuasive talent. But it's just that I'm a feminist almost as much for myself as for women. Patriarchy, if you look at it closely enough, is intrinsically about restricting the natural rights of the vast majority of both men and women.

 

[Drolefille]

I always hate when people assume that who comments or doesn't comment is particularly meaningful. I've already discussed Emma Watson three other places in the past week. That doesn't mean women don't care about anything.

 

[Avi1001]

i always hate when people assume that who comments or doesn't comment is particularly meaningful. I've already discussed emma watson three other places in the past week. That doesn't mean women don't care about anything.

 

[Drolefille]

Yes?

And why do you edit my quotes and name to remove capitalization.

 

[Avi1001]

Yes?

And why do you edit my quotes and name to remove capitalization.

Excuse me. I hit quote and that is what came out. I have no interest in editing your quotes.

 

[Drolefille]

Excuse me. I hit quote and that is what came out. I have no interest in editing your quotes.

Whatever. You've added nothing useful.

 

[Avi1001]

Whatever. You've added nothing useful.

you don't think Emma Watson's comments about "involving men in the feminist movement " and women not being "men-haters", is useful ?

Have you listened to the video I posted ?

Do you have any original thoughts of your own ?

So far, I am doing all the thinking...and you are doing nothing but complaining. That is not feminism...it is destructive behavior.

In fact, please note, this is the Feminist DIR and I am a self-identified Feminist. You are not. Therefore please keep your comments to respectful questions.

 

[Drolefille]

you don't think Emma Watson's comments about "involving men in the feminist movement " and women not being "men-haters", is useful ?

Have you listened to the video I posted ?

Do you have any original thoughts of your own ?

So far, I am doing all the thinking...and you are doing nothing but complaining. That is not feminism...it is destructive behavior.

In fact, please note, this is the Feminist DIR and I am a self-identified Feminist. You are not. Therefore please keep your comments to respectful questions.

WTF?

 

[Avi1001]

WTF?

Please see Forum Rule # 10.

 

[Drolefille]

Your "original thinking" was making up a response from a celeb where in the process you insulted religious feminists by claiming that humanism is necessary for feminism.

Additionally you claimed that women don't care because they didn't bother to respond to your thread, which frankly was stupid by post 2, saved some by post 3, and has not recovered after that.

And now you're pretty much chewing on your toes so you should stop.

 

[Drolefille]

Please see Forum Rule # 10.

Feel free to report my post if you think that I'm in the wrong. Otherwise stop whining.

 

[Avi1001]

Your "original thinking" was making up a response from a celeb where in the process you insulted religious feminists by claiming that humanism is necessary for feminism.

Additionally you claimed that women don't care because they didn't bother to respond to your thread, which frankly was stupid by post 2, saved some by post 3, and has not recovered after that.

And now you're pretty much chewing on your toes so you should stop.

You are on ignore.

 

[Drolefille]

You are on ignore.

Such a loss. This thread is bizarre. Sunstone, come back and save thing!

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Very cool, check it out:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/arti...tson?_mSplash=1&trk=tod-home-art-list-large_0

Thanks for linking. Her speech at the U.N. made some waves in social media, and mainstream folks have welcomed her rhetoric.

Feminists overall are somewhat divided in how useful her speech has been. Some feel "leaning in" (thank you Bell Hooks) offers language that privileged people can relate to and feel compassion for rights granted to women. Some feel relating the idea that patriarchy hurts men just as much is not useful, and opens a door suggesting that the current system ought to focus more attention on males then females. And then some others feel that the language in #HeforShe is transphobic and binarist, and reduces gender down to a simplistic gender binary, and marginalizes agendered, gender-queer, and bigendered people.

Jackson Katz has spoken to men many times about how male feminists are highly important allies, and can walk alongside females who are fighting and speaking out for equality and justice. Personally, I think Emma Watson is awesome for speaking to the U.N. and for accepting the position of spokesperson for such a campaign. I think inclusiveness is a good measure, but not the keystone. It's been said before that being a male feminist requires feeling uncomfortable, since one must recognize that giving up privilege so that others may enjoy the same rights and protections you have means you are not the center of attention all the time, and many things are instantly accessible with others included in the conversation.

This is probably where feminism gets the reputation that we hate men. Why? Because all the jobs available, once available only to men, can go to a woman instead if she is more qualified. Suddenly, opportunities that were so easily available before are not as available, and losing that privilege can feel like a smack in the face when you're not that special anymore. You're suddenly more like everybody else who don't look like you or uses a toilet like you. Oh darn, right?

Anyway, back to Ms. Watson. Good for her. I like seeing young women speak out as feminists. I'd have chosen Madison Kearney, instead, but I understand the star appeal for a campaign with larger goals.

 

[Drolefille]

Thanks for linking. Her speech at the U.N. made some waves in social media, and mainstream folks have welcomed her rhetoric.

Feminists overall are somewhat divided in how useful her speech has been. Some feel "leaning in" (thank you Bell Hooks) offers language that privileged people can relate to and feel compassion for rights granted to women. Some feel relating the idea that patriarchy hurts men just as much is not useful, and opens a door suggesting that the current system ought to focus more attention on males then females. And then some others feel that the language in #HeforShe is transphobic and binarist, and reduces gender down to a simplistic gender binary, and marginalizes agendered, gender-queer, and bigendered people.

Jackson Katz has spoken to men many times about how male feminists are highly important allies, and can walk alongside females who are fighting and speaking out for equality and justice. Personally, I think Emma Watson is awesome for speaking to the U.N. and for accepting the position of spokesperson for such a campaign. I think inclusiveness is a good measure, but not the keystone. It's been said before that being a male feminist requires feeling uncomfortable, since one must recognize that giving up privilege so that others may enjoy the same rights and protections you have means you are not the center of attention all the time, and many things are instantly accessible with others included in the conversation.

This is probably where feminism gets the reputation that we hate men. Why? Because all the jobs available, once available only to men, can go to a woman instead if she is more qualified. Suddenly, opportunities that were so easily available before are not as available, and losing that privilege can feel like a smack in the face when you're not that special anymore. You're suddenly more like everybody else who don't look like you or uses a toilet like you. Oh darn, right?

Anyway, back to Ms. Watson. Good for her. I like seeing young women speak out as feminists. I'd have chosen Madison Kearney, instead, but I understand the star appeal for a campaign with larger goals.

I can't frubal you again, but you get it for adding a second sane post to this thread (mine included.)

 

[Avi1001]

Now here is a feminist response. Thanks for your post and thoughtfulness. You have opened a lot of interesting ideas worthy of further discussion. That was the point of this thread. More later.

Thanks for linking. Her speech at the U.N. made some waves in social media, and mainstream folks have welcomed her rhetoric.

Feminists overall are somewhat divided in how useful her speech has been. Some feel "leaning in" (thank you Bell Hooks) offers language that privileged people can relate to and feel compassion for rights granted to women. Some feel relating the idea that patriarchy hurts men just as much is not useful, and opens a door suggesting that the current system ought to focus more attention on males then females. And then some others feel that the language in #HeforShe is transphobic and binarist, and reduces gender down to a simplistic gender binary, and marginalizes agendered, gender-queer, and bigendered people.

Jackson Katz has spoken to men many times about how male feminists are highly important allies, and can walk alongside females who are fighting and speaking out for equality and justice. Personally, I think Emma Watson is awesome for speaking to the U.N. and for accepting the position of spokesperson for such a campaign. I think inclusiveness is a good measure, but not the keystone. It's been said before that being a male feminist requires feeling uncomfortable, since one must recognize that giving up privilege so that others may enjoy the same rights and protections you have means you are not the center of attention all the time, and many things are instantly accessible with others included in the conversation.

This is probably where feminism gets the reputation that we hate men. Why? Because all the jobs available, once available only to men, can go to a woman instead if she is more qualified. Suddenly, opportunities that were so easily available before are not as available, and losing that privilege can feel like a smack in the face when you're not that special anymore. You're suddenly more like everybody else who don't look like you or uses a toilet like you. Oh darn, right?

Anyway, back to Ms. Watson. Good for her. I like seeing young women speak out as feminists. I'd have chosen Madison Kearney, instead, but I understand the star appeal for a campaign with larger goals.

 

[Drolefille]

Now here is a feminist response. Thanks for your post and thoughtfulness. You have opened a lot of interesting ideas worthy of further discussion. That was the point of this thread. More later.

A feminist response is any response by a feminist.