End of Times - with a tsiwt

[Just_me_Mike]

Let me rephrase this.

In what other time period in the history of the Earth can we point to, that as a whole the world populous could witness the things they witness today?

Matthew 24

"6": And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
"7": For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
"8": All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Maybe the mistake on secular study has been to focus on the fact these events are not original, instead rather maybe they should have focused on the ability for the world to see all these events at one time and together.

You see before the worldwide Internet and Satellite feed, the world as a whole would not be able to hear of these CONSTANT rumors of wars, and break out of famines and diseases.

Doesn't that make this time period unique?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

I re-wrote the OT because it was convoluted. hopefully this is easier to discuss.

 

[te_lanus]

hi

it really depend on what you see as the "Whole Earth". The Romans, according to them, ruled the whole earth.

Gen 41:57(Darby) And all countries came into Egypt to Joseph, to buy grain , because the famine was grievous on the whole earth.

In the view that only now do we know what the whole world means. the verse quoted makes us believe that those from Asia , Americas, Polynesia, and so forth had a way to get to Egypt to get food .

 

[Just_me_Mike]

hi

it really depend on what you see as the "Whole Earth". The Romans, according to them, ruled the whole earth.



In the view that only now do we know what the whole world means. the verse quoted makes us believe that those from Asia , Americas, Polynesia, and so forth had a way to get to Egypt to get food .

You are misquoting me a little bit here.
I did not say "that only now do we know what the whole world means"

What I said was that the whole world can now collectively witness those things spoken of. where as before the Romans would have no idea about the Mississippi river.

There are still remote regions of the Earth today, but none that I know o that have not been bothered by civilization.

 

[te_lanus]

You are misquoting me a little bit here.
I did not say "that only now do we know what the whole world means"

oops misunderstood you. please accept me apologies:sorry1:.:run:

There are still remote regions of the Earth today, but none that I know o that have not been bothered by civilization.

we've got people that lives in the eastern cape woods that has not had outside contact since 1950.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

we've got people that lives in the eastern cape woods that has not had outside contact since 1950.

Ok so does that break what I have put forth? Because a tribe in the woods has not heard the news of the war in Iraq or the Storm that hit Asia today, do we then conclude the world is not witnessing global event like never before?

I suppose that is possible. The world has not ended yet, so there is still time, ey? However, we are still in a unique situation with the world at large witnessing the events as if they are happening next door.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Let me rephrase this.

In what other time period in the history of the Earth can we point to, that as a whole the world populous could witness the things they witness today?

Matthew 24


You see before the worldwide Internet and Satellite feed, the world as a whole would not be able to hear of these CONSTANT rumors of wars, and break out of famines and diseases.

Doesn't that make this time period unique?

I do not believe that this passage is speaking of a time when mankind could see world events through telecommunication.

1. The verse does not say that all the world will see the same things at the same time. If that were the crux of the message, why not just come out and say it?
2. Even without global telecom, you would be hard pressed to find a place on earth where they didn't hear about wars and rumors of wars. Maybe not the same wars, but again, that is not what the passage suggests.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

I do not believe that this passage is speaking of a time when mankind could see world events through telecommunication.

1. The verse does not say that all the world will see the same things at the same time. If that were the crux of the message, why not just come out and say it?
2. Even without global telecom, you would be hard pressed to find a place on earth where they didn't hear about wars and rumors of wars. Maybe not the same wars, but again, that is not what the passage suggests.

Your emphasis on telcom tells me I miscommunicated my message.
While telcom is used to show all these events to anyone who wants to see them, the point was more than in our day and age the whole world hears these rumors of wars and other things.

As a matter of fact you cant wake up in a civilized land and not hear of some catastrophic event that is happening or preparing to happen. That is what I believe was intended in these verses.

Of course it is just my opinion. I like your opinion as well.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

You see before the worldwide Internet and Satellite feed, the world as a whole would not be able to hear of these CONSTANT rumors of wars, and break out of famines and diseases.

Doesn't that make this time period unique?

Sure, we're unique. I'm not sure how this has any bearing on the bible quote, though. I can't think of a time in human history when there weren't "wars and rumours of wars".

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Sure, we're unique. I'm not sure how this has any bearing on the bible quote, though. I can't think of a time in human history when there weren't "wars and rumours of wars".

Sure, I would agree if that is all the statement said. It says more no? so the collective statement is what is unique.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Sure, we're unique. I'm not sure how this has any bearing on the bible quote, though. I can't think of a time in human history when there weren't "wars and rumours of wars".

A second follow up, please look at the verses again below:

6": And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
"7": For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

You'll see that it wasn't just referencing wars, but all these other ingredients and in many different places.

If we think about that, how can we reasonably assume without the advances we have today we could view such events with such varying degrees and places?

I think when most people read those verses they assume it will be something SO horrible, and in your face. Possibly the subtly with which we deliver news today it is overlooked that we are in deed seeing these things happen on the scale it refers to.

Anyway, just wanted to share that.

 

[Beaudreaux]

A second follow up, please look at the verses again below:


You'll see that it wasn't just referencing wars, but all these other ingredients and in many different places.

If we think about that, how can we reasonably assume without the advances we have today we could view such events with such varying degrees and places?

I think when most people read those verses they assume it will be something SO horrible, and in your face. Possibly the subtly with which we deliver news today it is overlooked that we are in deed seeing these things happen on the scale it refers to.

Anyway, just wanted to share that.

So, let's assume you are correct. The first war to be "televised" was Vietnam in the late 1960s and early 1970s. So everyone has been able to hear of these rumors of wars for around 40 years now. Why do you suppose nothing end-timesish has happened? How long will we have to be in this state of worldwide awareness before God drops the other shoe?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

So, let's assume you are correct. The first war to be "televised" was Vietnam in the late 1960s and early 1970s. So everyone has been able to hear of these rumors of wars for around 40 years now. Why do you suppose nothing end-timesish has happened? How long will we have to be in this state of worldwide awareness before God drops the other shoe?

Oh come on, you are just bating me here. you know I believe May 21st 2011 will be it.

Aside from that though, you are right. For the last 40 years or so we have crafted the world wide message of fear, greed, violence, catastrophe, and dependence on our Governments for peace. We have done this through movies, news, newspapers, etc...
The message is boring these days, not like it was in Vietnam. Today it is like watching a video game when we invaded Iraq.
All very interesting.

 

[Beaudreaux]

Oh come on, you are just bating me here. you know I believe May 21st 2011 will be it.

Aside from that though, you are right. For the last 40 years or so we have crafted the world wide message of fear, greed, violence, catastrophe, and dependence on our Governments for peace. We have done this through movies, news, newspapers, etc...
The message is boring these days, not like it was in Vietnam. Today it is like watching a video game when we invaded Iraq.
All very interesting.

My apolgies for my short memory. I did not recall your belief in the 5/21/2011 thing. Apparently, I truly am getting old.

Not to subvert the intention of the OP, but could you refresh me briefly on how you came to believe 5/21/2011 is the end of the ride?

 

[Just_me_Mike]

My apolgies for my short memory. I did not recall your belief in the 5/21/2011 thing. Apparently, I truly am getting old.

Not to subvert the intention of the OP, but could you refresh me briefly on how you came to believe 5/21/2011 is the end of the ride?

First hearing the old timer Harold Camping. I then took it upon myself to disprove his findings, and found myself in a situation where I was substantiating his findings.
I then met with some other people to discuss the dilemma, and it turns out I can not argue with his findings, and in fact the bible fully supports the conclusion (of course from the way I see it).

If that day comes and goes and it did not happen, I will have plenty to think about. I'll worry about that then though.

To be more specific, God generally reveals to those whom are to be saved of impending doom. Like the flood (whether local or global), Sodom, Ninevites etc...

So for me the one big argument I had was the bible say no one will know the day or the hour this happens. So, that meant a lot to me, and it drove much of my research. I then began to run into language that told another story.

There is the idea that Jesus will come as a thief in the night, but then we are also warned to not be as those people, so that his coming is not as a thief in the night. Then I found plenty to suggest we are to know when his coming is. Which I can share with you if you are interested, but again it is not really the point of the thread.

Anyway after all was said and done, I fully understood God would not destroy this world without telling us when he was going to do it, and it would be no different this time. Of course for those not waiting and watching, it will be just like a thief in the night. One day they are eating their breakfast or whatever, and the next moment it's over. So to me God is very merciful, he is giving everyone time to hear when it is over, so that when it happens, there is no excuse.

 

[C_U_N_Hell]

Im curious, itwillend, on whether or not you have any supporting evidence OUTSIDE of the bible.

 

[3.14]

your forgetting one important point. these day's if there is a war going on it is no longer a rumour, it either is or it isn't

amarica invading irak wasn't a rumour because the news shown cold hard evidence of it

 

[Just_me_Mike]

your forgetting one important point. these day's if there is a war going on it is no longer a rumour, it either is or it isn't

amarica invading irak wasn't a rumour because the news shown cold hard evidence of it

One only needs to look at Iran, everyone wants to know if we will invade.
Or look at Israel, are they at peace or are they not?
North Korea? Are they going to go nutz on someone or are they not?

Not sure I feel you 3.14

 

[Just_me_Mike]

Im curious, itwillend, on whether or not you have any supporting evidence OUTSIDE of the bible.

This isn't the thread for that. I am also done arguing my views.
If you are generally and genuinely interested we can discuss it, but I am not into going back and forth with he said she said bs. Cool?

 

[C_U_N_Hell]

This isn't the thread for that. I am also done arguing my views.
If you are generally and genuinely interested we can discuss it, but I am not into going back and forth with he said she said bs. Cool?

Wow. Sorry I asked.