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End times?

What's your view?

  • Christian historic premillennialism

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Christian dispensational premillennialism

    Votes: 3 6.5%
  • Christian amillennialism

    Votes: 1 2.2%
  • Christian postmillennialism

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Hindu Kalki

    Votes: 2 4.3%
  • Jewish Messiah

    Votes: 1 2.2%
  • Buddhist Maitreya

    Votes: 1 2.2%
  • Something else

    Votes: 25 54.3%
  • You mean the party's going to end?

    Votes: 5 10.9%
  • None - I'm an atheist

    Votes: 15 32.6%

  • Total voters
    46

wellwisher

Well-Known Member
End times has to do with reversing the impact of Adam and Eve and original sin, so there is a return to paradise. The age of Satan and the fall from paradise comes to an end. A wall was placed between paradise and earth and a door will open.

The tree of knowledge of good and evil, symbolizes a 2-D way of thinking. In essence the modern human brain; after the fall, unconsciously processes data in ways that breaks everything down into opposites, such as good and evil, right and wrong, atheist and theist, male and female, Jew and Gentile, black and white, faith and knowledge, Democrat and Republican, cause and affect, rich and poor, etc. This polarizing mentality; unconscious neural processing, creates separation leading to misunderstanding and division. From that, all the woes of the world appear. It is hard for the world to integrate at any level, since the 2-D processing seeks to separate and differentiate via opposites; jock and nerd, white collar and blue collar.

If you read prophesies, culture becomes more and more polarized, with the dark side of the polarization getting the upper hand under Satan, the AntiChrist and the False prophet. From their reign of darkness, the light of goodness also appears within the polarization process; 144000 Saints differentiate.

In the end, all the darkest of the polarization of good and evil is exterminated and there is only the good side of the polarization left. The internal polarization of good and evil, that started at the time of Adam and Eve, is finally broken by the trauma and results of the events, so only good side remains, just like in paradise before the fall; natural instinct which is 3-D. When the most extreme of wars ends, people do not wish to fight and be angry anymore; shell shocked into an open mind.

The end time is essentially about a major update in the operating system of the human brain. The new unconscious platform processes the data of the world in 3-D. One will no longer automatically divide the world into opposites; 2-D, but people begin to sees things in more integrated ways. However, this 3-D state of mind only lasts for 1000 years and then the 2-D appears again; Satan is released, for one final purge; Battle of Gog and Magog.

When the major update of the brain's operating system begins, there is first an uninstall phase, with the old 2-D operating system extracted and saved as a backup in neural storage. After the 1000 years, there is unique time when both operating systems become active; separate partitions. One partition will divide and the other will integrate; opposite sides of the brain. The final war of the world, that ends all wars, integrates everyone to assemble who will also feel divided against each other. The 2-D partition is then finally erased; Satan is thrown into the lake of fire. The Old heaven and earth that had been made for the time of Satan, ends, and a New Heaven and Earth appears. Humans are now evolved to what they were always intended to be; intelligent friendly happy beings, in paradise, without a care in the world.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
Some interesting things.
1. According to Sunni Muslims, Jesus will come in Saffron robes. Really? :)
2. He will pray behind Mahdi and kill Dajjal.
3. Then Mahdi and Jesus will conquer the world and establish Caliphate.
Yes, but in out view these signs have symbolic meanings.


So, what do Bahais believe?
1. Has Jesus already appeared, an if so was it in the form of Your Iranian teacher?
Yes.

2. What does it mean? Did he pray behind Bab (since you consider Bab to be the Mahdi)? Which Dajjal did your returning Jesus killed?
It means Baha'u'llah (Christ) was the follower of the Bab (Mahdi). Praying behind, means, being follower of. It is a sign and hint in a symbolic language.
Killing Dajjal, means, destroying the false beliefs, by bringing true Religion. Whether or not people believe in it, is another story. But They did establish the true Religion in our view.

3. Have your Mahdi and returning Jesus conquered the world and established any Caliphate?
This is more the Muslim interpretation of Hadithes. The intention was, Their religion will be spread across the world, east and west. So, it did.


4. Christians think that the Returning Jesus will establish the (eternal) kingdom of God. Do Bahais think that the kingdom of God has already been established?
Yes, the Kingdom is established, but this kingdom is not a worldly kingdom. Again, in our view, this kingdom is independent of people following it or not.


5. Why should world go through tribulations when both Mahdi and Returning Jesus have come and gone (it has been 130 years since then), and the kingdom of God has already been established?

The tribulations are wars and difficulties that humanity will bring it to themselves as a result of ignoring the Kingdom of God, and being busy with their own worldly matters.
 

Dave Watchman

Active Member
Without getting in way over my head when it comes to knowledge and research, I'll note that some assert it's ending now/ in the next few years.

I voted Something else.

I vote now/ in the next few years.

I'm very sure that it's happening now.

But I don't know that it's necessary for everyone else to be sure that it's happening now.

I'm sure we're already in the events of the Biblical end times, the appointed time of the end, and much closer to the actual second coming of Christ than even the Christians realize.

But like Newton said, let time be the interpreter.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Without getting in way over my head when it comes to knowledge and research, I'll note that some assert it's ending now / in the next few years. What yuga are we in and why that is important » InSpirituality
1. Sadhguru is a showman. I do not accept him as a guru, nor what he says, nor too what his acolytes say about him or otherwise. Same for Yogananda.
2. As an atheist Hindu, I go by science, and the theist Hindu divisions* of time are fun for me, detailed interesting mythology.
3. As for future, I go by the Hindu adage "Devo na jānāti, kuto manushyah!" (Even the Gods do not know (the future), what to talk of men!).
(You see, what I follow - Advaita (non-duality) Hinduism, is a 'no-nonsense' philosophy)

* See it here: Hindu units of time - Wikipedia
The total time period of one existence is considered to be 311,040 billion years when the universe dissolves into God / nothing (Maha Pralaya - great dissolution).
Pralaya is Sanskrit - Dictionary
 
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sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
311,040 billion years

311,040,000,000,000 is 311 trillion years in the way American's measure numbers.

As far as Sadhguru goes, I know very little about him and am in no position to judge what he is or is not. I do understand that there are many many frauds. And I do know this: Tukaram is reported to have said of hypocritical "holy" men: "Let their dead conscience be burnt; it is no sin to thrash them!".
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Saint Tukaram is one among those whom I recognize as genuine gurus. Yeah, no sin, to thrash the fakes.:)
I did not want to miss the 40, that is why I said 311,040 billion years (to be exact). :D
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Yes, the Kingdom is established, but this kingdom is not a worldly kingdom. Again, in our view, this kingdom is independent of people following it or not.
If the kingdom is not worldly, then how does it affect us? If even after the establishment of God's kingdom you are waiting for humans (all 8 billion of them) to rid themselves of anger, greed, pride, envy, lust and enmity (which is not going to happen), then what the ...., is the worth of God's kingdom?
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
The theme to end what the sun nuclear origin did. Going back in time.

As thought by the human who makes all claims.

Giant pyramid collider machine was a time shifter. Not a resource. Origin science itself. No light position want of... notice the theme stated thesis involved no light...yet themed as a sun reversal earths attack.

Based on Immaculate when it wasn't the immaculate first. It was Volcanic earth first.

Human liar. The theist position isnt Satan. It's just a man. His origin position.

The ist. Satan...ist. NASA code no Satan when men joined under one leadership end life on earth. Predicted. Theists.

Jesus ended attack by space womb void no light. Mother womb saved body of sacrifice of earths gods mass Inherited body leaving witnessed..put it back by pressure change of its machine position leaving.

Man's machine causes not nature.

Phi calculus JESUS This is isSus. The nose point.∆. A review. Origin position about a human baby given back conscious awareness. A teacher. Position three balances.

Natural light. Immaculate night. Asteroid not burning. Only status is first.

Then is attack of life removal terms only as not Jesus.

Third time ignored the Jesus given predictive revelations.

Origin earth science. Total life destruction. Now.

His machine metals by the sun origin earth given are now held frozen. Metals were in deep seam pressures of earth melt. Not dusts. Earths layers pressures were also sun removed. Dust. First incorrect science position.

That exact information is why you are wrong theist.

Warning. The sun converted earths mass first. Sun theists were never allowed said holy man of ology philosopher law.

Machine first collider was exact a....time shifter found theme. Destruction attack put back the machine exact in natural position after destruction...

by God terms into deep layered Seams. Archaeology found it.

Ology is the only holy man thought.

Phi is now by man's mind of his science calculus machine part possessed. Deep in earth his origin machine.

He put the collider body back together himself as destroyed parts recorded advice clouds first only. By nuclear earth mass fission cloud memory. His machine design re emerged via UFO. Sun metals.

Fake advice.

However sun metal is lighter in space frozen in small masses. Leaves by earths void.

His machine is heavy earth metals so he's thinking I combine the two I can hold the UFO in a mass. Not let it leave. Have my old sun machine put back inside my earth machine. So it is healed.

Machine mass returned his of earths sun. Reacting the part of sun mass only asteroid sun owned lying. Keeping his machine from exploding is part of sciences old wisdom. Exact.

In full science aware earth mass reacted in nature at the ground position by sun metal first. So no cooling plus pressure stops the machine from blowing up.

Reason. The amount of fission fusion cooling to put machine part back in natural order is immense. Above ground first does not own it.

After ice age new cold was new pressure.

Position one science Moses. Nearly gained origin life ended. Bio life saved reactor stopped. We own water life exact. New yet using old pyramid advice updated model. Wrong.

Position two science began from a less mass earth destroyed position. Closer to a layered Seam. Doesn't take long for next attack to occur. Ends. Different result. As different model was applied with Stonehenge.

Position three prediction. Men who ignored all Jesus revelations. The exact warning. As spiritual brother psychic gained cloud vision stories advice.

Proven by native American Indian father about of white man coming bringing nuclear future destruction.

Part of which is ignored was the second coming. Updated attack.

0AD to year 1000 new bahuallah.

Jesus old terms documented eradicated by new burning comet meteor asteroid inheritance. No predictions involves Inheritor ...cause and effects.

He wasn't a testimony or writer as a scientist. Which would have involved a complied of a new science update. New testimony data.

Then Russia hit changed that identification again. Ignoring the advice cosmic is an attack only.

Ignoring Jesus advice is exact.

Back in time cannot follow the same order.

Sun converting earths mass to molten melt then water flood over all earth. Water seal of earths rock massive. The stillness of the deep upon the face of earth. Light and water.

Our return will be burning molten machine above UFO. Massive flooding as all cloud mass heavens held water will drop onto earth face. The flood. No light vacuum void only.

Black hole theories.

Actual position O earth rock before the immaculate was released itself.

Going back in time is natural positions exact.

As men incorporate earths own planet natural history plus sun attack in his thesis.

After ice age science used a crystal capped pyramid gained storage from temple transmissions. And it was gold capped to not release it back out.

Crystal absorbs but releases transmissions in its nature. Another reason it blew up.

You cannot copy space law. Warning not agreeing with Jesus predictions third time life will end life on earth by anti theories of man's mind return.

After our saviour body. Ice.

Three letters. I C E.
Sacred ice.
Sacrifice.

ICA....alpha thinker man.

How a rock dust mass asteroid plus ice melting metal burns our held water atmosphere. Puts a new face by its body onto earths face.

Then void vacuum sucks water back up off earth in huge earth eruptions. Re sealed.

As when a scientists says I copy. He means what he claims.

As it's not just words stories calculus. Vision and human psyche memory is always involved.

Themes and stories just human referenced.
 
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InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
If the kingdom is not worldly, then how does it affect us? If even after the establishment of God's kingdom you are waiting for humans (all 8 billion of them) to rid themselves of anger, greed, pride, envy, lust and enmity (which is not going to happen), then what the ...., is the worth of God's kingdom?
In our view, Kingdom is the establishment of a new Faith. Its purpose is to provide spiritual education to mankind, and to unite them. Spiritual education is basically to prepare everyone to continue living in the spiritual worlds of God. So, God has done His job as He promised it, His kingdom has come. On the other hand, humanity has given free will, to enter the kingdom or not. God's way has never been to force mankind.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
In our view, Kingdom is the establishment of a new Faith. Its purpose is to provide spiritual education to mankind, and to unite them. Spiritual education is basically to prepare everyone to continue living in the spiritual worlds of God. So, God has done His job as He promised it, His kingdom has come. On the other hand, humanity has given free will, to enter the kingdom or not. God's way has never been to force mankind.
Once two natural equal family members as just humans owned natural human babies.

No civilisation statuses whatsoever is first.

Family is first not design of humans nor invention of humans. Equal life. Trade mutual. Trade not equal as a price cannot be fixed upon what you want versus what you were trading.

Exact mutual agreements only.

Family.

Brain burnt by heavens earths gas caused star fall received advice. The man changed his men ta lity....a tally of caused bio conscious feelings emerged. Behaviour of young adult men.

A bully cult group emerged. Civilisation cities of Gods stone builder.

Named self it's king instead of father. Names his brothers lords as only one king was allowed.

He had to give his cult equal yet not quite equal brother man title.

As father was subject to his human baby son...father his natural leader.

So right away you see evil rich men still lying. Kingdom ideas is religious science.

Cities each nation built first man kingdom. Then technology lords of trade. Once innocent men as baby man then evil minded. Father warned them. They ignored him.

Free will was families human life first life position naturally spiritual innocent meek..... was not any kingdom.

My families choice is first to teach me human good will as parents.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
In our view, Kingdom is the establishment of a new Faith. Its purpose is to provide spiritual education to mankind, and to unite them. .. So, God has done His job as He promised it, His kingdom has come. On the other hand, humanity has given free will, to enter the kingdom or not. God's way has never been to force mankind.
Krishna and Buddha did not establish new religions (so too Mahavira or Guru Nanak). If establishment of a new religion is the criteria then Moses, Zoroaster, Jesus, Mohammad, established new religions, but that did not improve the situation in the world. The new religions fought among themselves and with other religions. Why should we take it that Bahai religion is any different having differences with all other existing religions? God and his prophets / sons / messengers / manifestations always do a slip-shod job which never succeeds.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
To answer the question are we in the end times, here is the reasons I believe we are:

At 4-5 Years old I knew I was sent from Heaven before the Great Tribulation, with my name in many of the world's religions.

Before that age I'd witnessed a few times what will take place as something comes from the sky, destroying the planet, and after the enlightened saints are resurrected into a new world.

At 5-6 years old knew some of the reasons why the world had already been deceived by the Anti-Christ's doctrines.

At 15 years old the Source of reality spoke to me explaining global eschatology, and asking me to read the world's religions.

At 21 years old I believe I fulfilled Revelation 5 & 10 three years before reading the Bible.

Now having studied & discussed religions for the last 18 years online before the Great Tribulation as prophesied; I believe we can show a big list of references to my name, correlating the world's religions before Judgement Day.

Thus in your poll found the first bit confusing, as had to look up all the Christian terminologies; even found this picture to help those who struggle with it.

As far as I understand now of religious prophecy: Kalki is the rider on a white horse, and is the 25th incarnation from Shambhala (place of peace); the same as the Messiah is the 25th Archangel on a white horse coming from the New Jerusalem (place of peace)... Both fight the sinful doctrine with the words of their mouth before the Judgement Day Fire.

Kalki according to the timeline comes before Mahapralaya, and in the Bhagavad Gita that is Skanda.

The New Name of Christ is Sananda, which I believe stems back to the son of Brahma - Sanandana.

The Maitreya is protector of the Buddhist Dharma, who was known as Ananda, and Suchandra is the head of the Divine Council of Shambhala.

We could go over multiple religious texts globally since we are in comparative religion, showing where according to what I understand of them, I can prove I'm the final warning to mankind before Judgement Day.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
Krishna and Buddha did not establish new religions (so too Mahavira or Guru Nanak).
Well, in Bahai view, Buddha was the Founder of Buddhism and Krishna was the Founder of Hinduism. It is true that, before Buddha there were other Buddhas, and before Krishna there were other Manifestations of God who also taught some forms of Hinduism. But in Bahai view, all of them originated from the same God.
In another words, Buddha and Krishna were the same Person spiritually, the Manifestation of the One same God. So, were the Buddhas before Buddha.


If establishment of a new religion is the criteria then Moses, Zoroaster, Jesus, Mohammad, established new religions, but that did not improve the situation in the world.

Well, in Bahai view, a Religion is like a Tree. Only for a certain time it can give good fruits. Once it becomes too old, it no longer can produce fruits. every time Religion was founded, it was for a period of time, during which is still fruitful. For example Islam, caused a golden age for Muslims. But it was meant for only 1000 years.

The new religions fought among themselves and with other religions.
This is true, many adherents of Religions did that, but, I don't see this as problem with Religion. For example Putin is in war with Ukraine, but this is not because of religion. So, the wars and fight which happend among people of different sects, are the fault of those people who did not follow Religion correctly, and fought in the name of religion, whereas this had not to do with teachings of their religion. It Is battle of power among people, I would think.


Why should we take it that Bahai religion is any different having differences with all other existing religions? God and his prophets / sons / messengers / manifestations always do a slip-shod job which never succeeds.

That's a fair question. I personally cannot say that at some point, the Bahai community would not deviate from Teachings of Baha'u'llah. Though, so far, it has been the most united and peaceful Faith. But, every Faith is meant for a period of time. Once its period ends, it no longer can produce good fruits. At that time, God will establish a new Faith again. That is called End Time in Bahai view. Everytime, End of the Religion of God comes, it is the End Time.
This is why we see, when Jesus came, it was the Last Hour, as it is written in the Bible. Because it was End of Religion of Moses. Likewise when Muhammad came, He said it is End Time, because it was End of Christ Religion. And when the Bab and Baha'u'llah came, they said, it is End Time, because it was End of Religion of Muhammad. Likewise when the End of Bahai Faith comes, the Next Manifestation will say, it is End Time. In Bahai view, this was the meaning of End Time that was written in the Holy Books by old Prophets.
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Krishna was the Founder of Hinduism.
Well, in Bahai view, a Religion is like a Tree. Only for a certain time it can give good fruits. Once it becomes too old, it no longer can produce fruits.
That is called End Time in Bahai view.
.. this was the meaning of End Time that was written in the Holy Books by old Prophets.
Which fool told you that? Krishna is supposed to be eighth avatara of Lord Vishnu. Hinduism is much older than that. Rama was the seventh avatara and Parashurama was the sixth.
That may be the Bahai view, but other religions think otherwise. You are taking up the cudgels with all other religions. This can result only in strife and not peace and brotherhood.
Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism are all prosperous and flourishing. Hindu end of time is the farthest away, 156 trillion years away.
Old or new prophets and or old and new books, have no value if they do not provide evidence.
 

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
Which fool told you that? Krishna is supposed to be eighth avatara of Lord Vishnu. Hinduism is much older than that. Rama was the seventh avatara and Parashurama was the sixth.
That may be the Bahai view, but other religions think otherwise. You are taking up the cudgels with all other religions. This can result only in strife and not peace and brotherhood.
Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism are all prosperous and flourishing. Hindu end of time is the farthest away, 156 trillion years away.
Old or new prophets and or old and new books, have no value if they do not provide evidence.
I already explained that in the rest of my post.
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
I would offer that the end of the age and the fulfilment of all Age based prophecy culminated in 1844.

A new age of fulfillment and a new creation has been unfolding ever since.

Regards Tony

Hi Tony.

I remember the Bible used the term ‘end of the world’ and that’s the terminology I grew up with but later they explained that the proper translation is ‘end of the age’. What a huge difference one word can make. I used to have nightmares about the end of the world but now I see it’s been over dramatised and we can look forward to humanity being here for a long, long time to come.

My best regards to your dear wife.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Hi Tony.

I remember the Bible used the term ‘end of the world’ and that’s the terminology I grew up with but later they explained that the proper translation is ‘end of the age’. What a huge difference one word can make. I used to have nightmares about the end of the world but now I see it’s been over dramatised and we can look forward to humanity being here for a long, long time to come.

My best regards to your dear wife.

Yes it is an important distinction. Also understanding that a 'New Heaven' and a 'New Earth' is all about a 'New Message' of God.

The new heaven being the message renewed and the new earth the Laws. God sends a Christ (Annointed One) with a 'New Name'.

Best regards from Us, Love and hugs to you both as well David. Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Krishna and Buddha did not establish new religions (so too Mahavira or Guru Nanak). If establishment of a new religion is the criteria then Moses, Zoroaster, Jesus, Mohammad, established new religions, but that did not improve the situation in the world. The new religions fought among themselves and with other religions. Why should we take it that Bahai religion is any different having differences with all other existing religions? God and his prophets / sons / messengers / manifestations always do a slip-shod job which never succeeds.

I would offer two quotes in answer to your question.

"A Baha’i denies no religion; he accepts the Truth in all, and would die to uphold it. He loves all men as his brothers, of whatever class, of whatever race or nationality, of whatever creed or colour, whether good or bad, rich or poor, beautiful or hideous. He commits no violence; if he is struck he does not return the blow. He calls nothing bad, following the example of the Lord Baha’u’llah.
(Abdu’l-Baha, Abdu’l-Baha in London, p.127)

And these two thoughts from Abdu’l-Baha.

"When Christians act according to the teachings of Christ, they are called Baha’is. For the foundations of Christianity and the religion of Baha’u’llah are one. The foundations of all the divine Prophets and Holy Books are one. The difference among them is one of terminology only. … Whoever acts completely in accordance with the teachings of Christ is a Baha’i. The purpose is the essential meaning of Christian, not the mere word. The purpose is the sun itself and not the dawning points."

That is applicable to any person of any faith, and this.

"It makes no difference whether you have ever heard of Baha’u’llah or not,” was the answer, “the man who lives the life according to the teachings of Baha’u’llah is already a Baha’i. On the other hand a man may call himself a Baha’i for fifty years and if he does not live the life he is not a Baha’i...."

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Krishna was the Founder of Hinduism.

The issue here is that Hinduism is a modern word.

I am thinking the best way to say this is that the principles of the Message of Krishna is found in many Hindu beliefs, as there are many Hindu that do not follow Krishna.

Regards Tony
 
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