England = 51st state???

[Eddi]

The independence parties of Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are all pro-EU

If any of these nations were to become independent from the United Kingdom they would join the EU

Except England wouldn't...

Now, imagine these become independent and someone persuades England to hold a referendum to enact political union with the USA - and the referendum passes

Would we become the 51st state, or be integrated in some other, extraordinary way?

And would the USA have us? In a political union? Would they also have to hold a referendum?

And if we were to unite, would it be somehow possible to keep the monarchy and the National Health Service? And would we have to allow bang-bang guns?

I have no idea how I'd vote in such a referendum, I suppose it would depend on what deal was on offer. And I don't think we necessarily have to team up with a bigger entity, be it the EU or the USA...

So, put me down as undecided

I'd be interested to hear what people on both sides of the Atlantic think

 

[February-Saturday]

More likely, England would end up as a US territory like Puerto Rico. There would probably be an outcry in the US over the cultural clash, and pushes to "forcibly secede England" even though such a concept doesn't make too much sense and England's presence as a territory would probably be rather unobtrusive.

As a territory, England would still operate mostly independently.

 

[Altfish]

Yeah, Brexit = England becoming a vassal state of US/China/Russia

I have an opportunity to move to Scotland, if it wasn't for the grandchildren, I'd head there tomorrow.

 

[Secret Chief]

We might be neighbours. Unless we decide on Wales.

 

[Secret Chief]

No thanks. We've already got an idiot PM with stupid hair leading a supine government.
It all hinges on Putin's money. Would he want it?

 

[Eddi]

It all hinges on Putin's money. Would he want it?

I read somewhere that Russia has a grand strategic plan, which sets out how they'd like to see the world ordered. But I cannot recall what it's actually called...

It's no secret though, they teach it in universities, they are very open about it

According to this plan, Russia wants the EU to be dominated by Germany, and for the UK to be aligned with the USA rather than the EU

 

[Altfish]

I read somewhere that Russia has a grand strategic plan, which sets out how they'd like to see the world ordered. But I cannot recall what it's actually called...

It's no secret though, they teach it in universities, they are very open about it

According to this plan, Russia wants the EU to be dominated by Germany, and for the UK to be aligned with the USA rather than the EU

Read this ...

 

[Secret Chief]

Brexit was sold as "Getting our country back" so I can't think the brexiteers would want to vote to join another fascist elitist communist socialist power hungry bloc. The public are too intelligent to be sold a lie. Oh, wait...

 

[exchemist]

The independence parties of Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are all pro-EU

If any of these nations were to become independent from the United Kingdom they would join the EU

Except England wouldn't...

Now, imagine these become independent and someone persuades England to hold a referendum to enact political union with the USA - and the referendum passes

Would we become the 51st state, or be integrated in some other, extraordinary way?

And would the USA have us? In a political union? Would they also have to hold a referendum?

And if we were to unite, would it be somehow possible to keep the monarchy and the National Health Service? And would we have to allow bang-bang guns?

I have no idea how I'd vote in such a referendum, I suppose it would depend on what deal was on offer. And I don't think we necessarily have to team up with a bigger entity, be it the EU or the USA...

So, put me down as undecided

I'd be interested to hear what people on both sides of the Atlantic think

Wales did not vote to stay in the EU.

I think it quite likely that Scotland may rejoin the EU and that N Ireland may join the South.

I see no likelihood whatever of England and Wales wanting to join the USA. Like 90% of the population, I would vote against any such notion, if it were to be put forward, which it won't be.

In fact, I think England and Wales will probably eventually rejoin the EU, though it may take 20 years or so before it happens.

 

[oldbadger]

England on its own?
If it happens it happens but I would not want it to become part of any other country.

 

[Secret Chief]

Wales did not vote to stay in the EU.

I think it quite likely that Scotland may rejoin the EU and that N Ireland may join the South.

I see no likelihood whatever of England and Wales wanting to join the USA. Like 90% of the population, I would vote against any such notion, if it were to be put forward, which it won't be.

In fact, I think England and Wales will probably eventually rejoin the EU, though it may take 20 years or so before it happens.

Apparently, according to the number crunchers, the majority Welsh vote was to stay in the EU. What tipped it was the English who have moved there ( mostly white and elderly - quelle surprise ). Immigrants, in other words

 

[HonestJoe]

Sorry, but this is all complete fantasy;

The independence parties of Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are all pro-EU

Scotland is to an extent (though note that Brexit for the UK and an Independent Scotland joining the EU are two entirely different questions). Wales and NI aren't (they're largely undecided).

If any of these nations were to become independent from the United Kingdom they would join the EU

Scotland might go independent at some point but I don't think it's as likely as a lot of people expect (or want). Wanting independence in principle and actually implementing a workable process are two very different things. If they did, they might seek to join the EU, though that wouldn't be as quick or easy as may would like to imagine either.

I don't see Wales or NI becoming independent in the foreseeable future.

Now, imagine these become independent and someone persuades England to hold a referendum to enact political union with the USA - and the referendum passes

That is certainly never going to happen. We can't even agree the basis for a trade agreement and the general direction of travel is more independence, not less. We could theoretically have some kind of arrangement for closer political, economic and trade ties but that would always be between two (nominally) equal parties. The idea of England or the UK becoming anything close to a 51st state is simply ridiculous.

 

[Twilight Hue]

The independence parties of Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are all pro-EU

If any of these nations were to become independent from the United Kingdom they would join the EU

Except England wouldn't...

Now, imagine these become independent and someone persuades England to hold a referendum to enact political union with the USA - and the referendum passes

Would we become the 51st state, or be integrated in some other, extraordinary way?

And would the USA have us? In a political union? Would they also have to hold a referendum?

And if we were to unite, would it be somehow possible to keep the monarchy and the National Health Service? And would we have to allow bang-bang guns?

I have no idea how I'd vote in such a referendum, I suppose it would depend on what deal was on offer. And I don't think we necessarily have to team up with a bigger entity, be it the EU or the USA...

So, put me down as undecided

I'd be interested to hear what people on both sides of the Atlantic think

I dunno. Weren't we the guys that ran away from England?

 

[eik]

Sorry, but this is all complete fantasy;

England joining the USA is indeed a preposterous idea. You'd get about 0% support for that in a referendum, which is why one would never be held.

The UK devolution parties however are ever pro EU: the reason being that poorer farmers in outlying areas of the UK, such in Wales, get the most handouts from the EU proportionately. Scotland has historical links with France and with the EU, as do the Northern Ireland pro-Catholic and pro-united Ireland parties.

There are however no historical links with the USA that anyone has any fond memories of. Both World Wars resulted only in hefty debt repayments to the USA.

 

[Valjean]

More likely, England would end up as a US territory like Puerto Rico. There would probably be an outcry in the US over the cultural clash, and pushes to "forcibly secede England" even though such a concept doesn't make too much sense and England's presence as a territory would probably be rather unobtrusive.

We might accept you, provided you learned tp pronounce your 'Rs' and drive on the right side of the road.
We'd also appreciate it if you'd all carry guns -- for your own safety, of course. An armed society is a polite society.

As a territory, England would still operate mostly independently.

Sure, why not? Worked for Hong Kong....

 

[Secret Chief]

We might accept you, provided you learned tp pronounce your 'Rs' and drive on the right side of the road.
We'd also appreciate it if you'd all carry guns -- for your own safety, of course. An armed society is a polite society.

We've got the cuisine sorted, most of it is now orange coloured.

 

[Valjean]

Orange coloured avocado toast?!

You're on your own.

 

[Mock Turtle]

If we are dumb enough to leave the EU, we might be dumb enough to vote into a country largely at odds with much that we apparently hold dear - like religious beliefs not interfering too much in public life, the freedom to express anger without the fear one might kill or be killed, not having an even worse leader (perhaps top amongst all those available around the world), and not discarding a NHS for an apparently worse system, but no doubt there will some benefits. Let me think for a while … nope, none.

 

[Stevicus]

The independence parties of Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland are all pro-EU

If any of these nations were to become independent from the United Kingdom they would join the EU

Except England wouldn't...

Now, imagine these become independent and someone persuades England to hold a referendum to enact political union with the USA - and the referendum passes

Would we become the 51st state, or be integrated in some other, extraordinary way?

And would the USA have us? In a political union? Would they also have to hold a referendum?

And if we were to unite, would it be somehow possible to keep the monarchy and the National Health Service? And would we have to allow bang-bang guns?

I have no idea how I'd vote in such a referendum, I suppose it would depend on what deal was on offer. And I don't think we necessarily have to team up with a bigger entity, be it the EU or the USA...

So, put me down as undecided

I'd be interested to hear what people on both sides of the Atlantic think

Well, if you throw Canada into the deal, then maybe it might be worth a try.

 

[Secret Chief]

I dunno. Weren't we the guys that ran away from England?

We're stalking you.