Escalation

[Jimmy]

Jews want to evict handful of Arabs
Arabs throw rocks at Jews
Jews fire rubber bullets at arabs
Arabs launch rockets at Jews
Jews fire missiles at Arabs

Its the rockets that worry me the most.

I’m thankful after the George Floyd riots in my country where rubber bullets were used that I didn’t have to worry about a rocket hitting my home.

Thank God
Gee
Sad stuff

 

[Valjean]

Both sides are behaving badly, perpetuating the situation. and now escalating the conflict.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Jews want to evict handful of Arabs
Arabs throw rocks at Jews
Jews fire rubber bullets at arabs
Arabs launch rockets at Jews
Jews fire missiles at Arabs

Its the rockets that worry me the most.

I’m thankful after the George Floyd riots in my country where rubber bullets were used that I didn’t have to worry about a rocket hitting my home.

Thank God
Gee
Sad stuff

Look at how long this conflict has been raging on.

It's as if people don't want peace.

 

[Altfish]

My God is better than your God - nah nah!

 

[Windwalker]

Tribalism is alive and well.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Tribalism is alive and well.

Its hardwired via evolution.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Jews want to evict handful of Arabs
Arabs throw rocks at Jews
Jews fire rubber bullets at arabs
Arabs launch rockets at Jews
Jews fire missiles at Arabs

Its the rockets that worry me the most.

I’m thankful after the George Floyd riots in my country where rubber bullets were used that I didn’t have to worry about a rocket hitting my home.

Thank God
Gee
Sad stuff

I suspect the Qassams will eventually be replaced by more advanced missiles eventually. Notably it's increase in range compared to the originals.

Already soviet variations of Grad or Katyusha rockets have been deployed.

With the US arms deal , I'm sure other deals will be made as well alternatively.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

Yeah I don't know.. it's pretty bad, but it seems like the forum has this pretty well covered.. if you want to know what I think might be worse, go read up on what's going on in Colombia right now.. No one even made a thread on that, and that seems like it should be discussed too

 

[amorphous_constellation]

I’m thankful after the George Floyd riots in my country where rubber bullets were used that I didn’t have to worry about a rocket hitting my home.

well a rubber bullet will maim a person to shreds.. surely you've seen the vicious pictures of what they do, fair warning if you haven't. So to my mind, those aren't too much better than rockets.. Arming the riot control with whips might be more merciful even, than giving them rubber bullets, since they blast out people's eyeballs and shatter bone

 

[Windwalker]

well a rubber bullet will maim a person to shreds.. surely you've seen the vicious pictures of what they do, fair warning if you haven't. So to my mind, those aren't too much better than rockets.. Arming the riot control with whips might be more merciful even, than giving them rubber bullets, since they blast out people's eyeballs and shatter bone

That's because they are shooting the bullets straight at the people, rather than shooting at the ground and bouncing them up to hit them they way they are supposed to. Even so, they can be dangerous, but worse when shot directly.

"Rubber or plastic bullets, also called kinetic impact projectiles, are designed for use by law enforcement for crowd control. They are designed to be shot at an angle to the ground so they will ricochet into a person's leg."

2 SD Legislators Call For Clear Standards for Rubber Bullet Use by Law Enforcement.​

 

[Revoltingest]

Jews want to evict handful of Arabs
Arabs throw rocks at Jews
Jews fire rubber bullets at arabs
Arabs launch rockets at Jews
Jews fire missiles at Arabs

Its the rockets that worry me the most.

I’m thankful after the George Floyd riots in my country where rubber bullets were used that I didn’t have to worry about a rocket hitting my home.

Thank God
Gee
Sad stuff

Israeli provocations are a tad more than "want to".

 

[Kooky]

Both sides are behaving badly, perpetuating the situation. and now escalating the conflict.

One side has a professional military force, police, and the full power of a developed first world country behind them (as well as massive international support from the world's premier economic and military power), and the other has... a starving city and a pile of rockets.

There may be some kind of moral symmetry to the conflict, but certainly no material symmetry of any kind.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

One side has a professional military force, police, and the full power of a developed first world country behind them (as well as massive international support from the world's premier economic and military power), and the other has... a starving city and a pile of rockets.

There may be some kind of moral symmetry to the conflict, but certainly no material symmetry of any kind.

I am totally bewildered as to how people are able to lie to themselves about this being in any way equal. Using combat jets to bomb the hell out of a poor slum that has no air force isn't fair. I mean, those people rely on the UN to eat and have schools. And let's not get into the outrageously lopsided civilian death tolls. They learned well from the US, obviously.

 

[Valjean]

Of course it's not equal, and the Palestinians have a legitimate grievance, But what's up with Hamas? What did they expect to happen when they started lobbing missiles into Israel?
They must have known Gaza would be pummeled, and hundreds or thousands would die. What are they trying to accomplish?

 

[Revoltingest]

They must have known Gaza would be pummeled, and hundreds or thousands would die. What are they trying to accomplish?

It's all above my pay grade.
But it's an opportunity for Israel to offer something of
substance to the other side, & turn the oppressed into
allies....
- End taking of property from non-Jews.
- Create equality under the law & de facto.
- Compensate / make whole those who lost property.

 

[Valjean]

Is Hamas deliberately creating a threat to unite the people in righteous indignation, in an effort to bolster their fragmenting party?

 

[Kooky]

Of course it's not equal, and the Palestinians have a legitimate grievance, But what's up with Hamas? What did they expect to happen when they started lobbing missiles into Israel?
They must have known Gaza would be pummeled, and hundreds or thousands would die. What are they trying to accomplish?

Is Hamas deliberately creating a threat to unite the people in righteous indignation, in an effort to bolster their fragmenting party?

This is what I gathered from perusing Western media on the subject:
The Palestinian territories were looking at an election year, but Fatah suspended elections indefinitely, possibly as a way to keep themselves relevant and cut off Hamas from power. Since Fatah is apparently seen as the more moderate, collaborationist voice in Palestinian politics, taking a public stand against Israel is a way for Hamas to garner support among the Palestinian population.

So in short, yes, it seems like what you are suggesting is a fairly accurate image.

As for the IDF bombing civilian housing in Gaza, my understanding is that this happens like clockwork every couple of years regardless, to the point where it is internally referred to as "mowing the lawn" by military types and their supporters.

 

[amorphous_constellation]

That's because they are shooting the bullets straight at the people, rather than shooting at the ground and bouncing them up to hit them they way they are supposed to.

I'm not a mathematician so I could be in total error here, but if an object ricochets, does not that, under some circumstances, increase momentum? Plus, how is the behavior of the projectile even predictable, in terms of upward angle. And to achieve a specific upward angle, if you are supposed to shoot the ground at a specific distance, and at a specific angle, how do you do this in a situation where people are probably changing locations at high speed

 

[Windwalker]

I'm not a mathematician so I could be in total error here, but if an object ricochets, does not that, under some circumstances, increase momentum?

I'm not either, but on principle it would not. As it hits the first object, it loses energy. Therefore it loses momentum. Unless that object could add energy from itself to the object in motion, like a trampoline. But even then it probably doesn't increase the speed of the object. We have math people here on the site who could answer that better.

Plus, how is the behavior of the projectile even predictable, in terms of upward angle.

If shooting out the eye of a CNN reporter covering a protest was the intended target, then the cop who shot it should be charged with intentional act. I kind of doubt its target was predictable. If it was, he needs to be charged with attempted murder, shooting at his head like that.

And to achieve a specific upward angle, if you are supposed to shoot the ground at a specific distance, and at a specific angle, how do you do this in a situation where people are probably changing locations at high speed

Its intended use was to fire at the ground in front of the crowd, thereby hitting their lower extremities, anywhere below vital organs. So I don't think they are aiming at their knee caps, like trying to sink a pool ball by banking off a corner. But firing directly at people who are peacefully protesting? Something is really wrong with that in a free country like America. So much for claims of supporting freedom of speech and the right to protest.

 

[Kooky]

I'm not a mathematician so I could be in total error here, but if an object ricochets, does not that, under some circumstances, increase momentum? Plus, how is the behavior of the projectile even predictable, in terms of upward angle. And to achieve a specific upward angle, if you are supposed to shoot the ground at a specific distance, and at a specific angle, how do you do this in a situation where people are probably changing locations at high speed

Ideally you don't, but apparently we can't expect soldiers and cops to not shoot unarmed protesters when given the opportunity.