Europe wants peace

[mikkel_the_dane]

No, thanks. I prefer to read real socialist stuff, written by the

Maybe just ignorant, but that's what Europeans perceive from the media: that US politics is all about frivolous stuff, and not real problems like inflation, banking system, stagnation, war.

Well, no, not all Europeans.

 

[Estro Felino]

Example of frivolous stuff

The Problem With the Hunter Biden Verdict

The prosecution in the Hunter Biden case relied in no small measure on his own admissions—made in his shockingly honest memoir. It's a poor message to send to other recovering addicts, writes Philip Elliott

time.com

 

[Pogo]

No, thanks. I prefer to read real socialist stuff, written by the

Maybe just ignorant, but that's what Europeans perceive from the media: that US politics is all about frivolous stuff, and not real problems like inflation, banking system, stagnation, war.

So are you a Craxist perchance (probably not) or do you not understand that our system does not lend itself to coalition governments.
Yes we have a socialist workers party, but when you look on the ballot, it is just another line with the same choices as the democratic party on major elections.

I think the problem is that you want not a socialist government, but a Christian theocracy.
It also appears you do not understand the dangers of such a thing? Would you actually be comfortable with the pope as the ultimate arbiter of all rules, I think not?

You might want to read some of the examples of Christian persecution.
We prefer to leave religious imperatives to the individual.

 

[Pogo]

No, thanks. I prefer to read real socialist stuff, written by the

Maybe just ignorant, but that's what Europeans perceive from the media: that US politics is all about frivolous stuff, and not real problems like inflation, banking system, stagnation, war.

Yup ignorant which is not an insult as it is only a state that can be overcome with education.

 

[Estro Felino]

So are you a Craxist perchance (probably not)

I was born under Craxi and am Craxian to the bone. Heart and soul.

or do you not understand that our system does not lend itself to coalition governments.
Yes we have a socialist workers party, but when you look on the ballot, it is just another line with the same choices as the democratic party on major elections.

I know. That is because the banking élites controlling the Democratic Party are so powerful that they crush those who want to propose a change.

I think the problem is that you want not a socialist government, but a Christian theocracy.
It also appears you do not understand the dangers of such a thing? Would you actually be comfortable with the pope as the ultimate arbiter of all rules, I think not?

You might want to read some of the examples of Christian persecution.
We prefer to leave religious imperatives to the individual.

Quite the opposite.
I would put electrified fence all around the Vatican... if I had the power.
So I am for re-opening state brothels, and a liberalization of sex...it doesn't look that Catholic to me.

 

[Revoltingest]

Liberalism is both economic liberalism and "sexual" liberalism.
That's why our liberal friend @Revoltingest is both against socialism and against conservatives banning abortion.

I’m libertarian.

 

[Pogo]

I was born under Craxi and am Craxian to the bone. Heart and soul.

I know. That is because the banking élites controlling the Democratic Party are so powerful that they crush those who want to propose a change.

Quite the opposite.
I would put electrified fence all around the Vatican... if I had the power.
So I am for re-opening state brothels, and a liberalization of sex...it doesn't look that Catholic to me.

I would not have thought you a Craxist, but I will go back and read some more. That said, you are very ignorant of American divisions in terms of socialism and capitalism. I am not saying they are different, but we are not even speaking the same language. We also have a long way to go in terms of Church and state. You have the Vatican, we have nothing similar, but we do have organizations that think they should recreate a 21st century version of the medieval version.

Glad to talk to you about it, but we need to create a mutually useful language.

 

[Pogo]

I’m libertarian.

that much she understood.

 

[Revoltingest]

that much she understood.

I wonder.

 

[Pogo]

I was born under Craxi and am Craxian to the bone. Heart and soul.

I know. That is because the banking élites controlling the Democratic Party are so powerful that they crush those who want to propose a change.

Quite the opposite.
I would put electrified fence all around the Vatican... if I had the power.
So I am for re-opening state brothels, and a liberalization of sex...it doesn't look that Catholic to me.

On reading this again, realize that the democratic party in the US is not what the Italian version of this party is though we have no significant party to the left. it is between center and right and your are just a minor democratic faction. LOL Welcome to our hegemony.

 

[Pogo]

I wonder.

The real question is can she understand that we might both be without exploding?

 

[Revoltingest]

The real question is can she understand that we might both be without exploding?

As in the movie, Scanners?

 

[Pogo]

Hi Estro, you want to know what the real problem is? My healthcare pays for basically everything at a reasonable level, doesn't include experimental procedures, but, the system is so convoluted that I have now spent 4 hours working on confirming that my status hasn't changed and as many here will confirm, we receive numerous calls about how our medical insurance provider can help us to do the obvious. None of the calls I have had today are relevant to my continuing my insurance they have thus far only related to functions that are already served by other providers. Worse yet, none of the calls I made to the appropriate entities that are responsible were successful. (a situation that I hear is also common in Italy)
From what I understand of Italian bureaucracy, you should be very familiar with this situation.

So the real question here is do you have any ideas to move humanity forward in terms of your Christian sense or my atheistic sense? Russia is not a paradigm, nor is the US and you haven't presented Italy as one either. Stop telling us what is wrong and what might happen and tell us something that might be useful today.

 

[Estro Felino]

Hi Estro, you want to know what the real problem is? My healthcare pays for basically everything at a reasonable level, doesn't include experimental procedures, but, the system is so convoluted that I have now spent 4 hours working on confirming that my status hasn't changed and as many here will confirm, we receive numerous calls about how our medical insurance provider can help us to do the obvious. None of the calls I have had today are relevant to my continuing my insurance they have thus far only related to functions that are already served by other providers. Worse yet, none of the calls I made to the appropriate entities that are responsible were successful. (a situation that I hear is also common in Italy)
From what I understand of Italian bureaucracy, you should be very familiar with this situation.

But this is irrelevant to the fact that healthcare is NOT a business!
It's something that cannot be considered a profitable activity because it's about people's right to life!
So it's the State that should manage healthcare (of course if privates want to open their clinics, they can do it).

Cashing in on people's disgraces like a car accident is immoral and indecent. It's something that makes me throw up.
And I can promise you that many many dems are against free universal healthcare...because you know..they work for those private insurances you are talking about.

So the real question here is do you have any ideas to move humanity forward in terms of your Christian sense or my atheistic sense? Russia is not a paradigm, nor is the US and you haven't presented Italy as one either. Stop telling us what is wrong and what might happen and tell us something that might be useful today.

I have been telling you guys that war is primitive and barbaric and people should sit around a table to discuss the terms of a peace.
Peace is always obtainable...but the US evidently ordered Kiev to reject any peace proposals, because they hired Ukraine as servant to wage a war against Putin, their deadly enemy.

 

[Estro Felino]

On reading this again, realize that the democratic party in the US is not what the Italian version of this party is though we have no significant party to the left. it is between center and right and your are just a minor democratic faction. LOL Welcome to our hegemony.

Exactly.
The exact opposite of Eastern Europe, where all parties, even the right is actually left-wing.

 

[McBell]

But this is irrelevant to the fact that healthcare is NOT a business!

Except that not only is healthcare a business, it is a most profitable business.

It's something that cannot be considered a profitable activity because it's about people's right to life!

It is something that is so profitable that those profiting are embarrassed/shameful/guilty/etc. enough to push a false narrative of "non-profit to the gullible.

So it's the State that should manage healthcare (of course if privates want to open their clinics, they can do it).

As long as healthcare is about profits and not actually caring for the health of others...

... the US evidently ordered Kiev to reject any peace proposals, because they hired Ukraine as servant to wage a war against Putin, their deadly enemy.

Do you have any evidence of these claims that are not Russian propaganda?

 

[Estro Felino]

@Pogo
A fellow citizen of mine interviewed the real people of the United States, to understand what they need.
This is much better than CNN or FoxNews, which are media made by yacht-owners meant to be watched by yacht-owners.

 

[Pogo]

But this is irrelevant to the fact that healthcare is NOT a business!
It's something that cannot be considered a profitable activity because it's about people's right to life!
So it's the State that should manage healthcare (of course if privates want to open their clinics, they can do it).

Cashing in on people's disgraces like a car accident is immoral and indecent. It's something that makes me throw up.
And I can promise you that many many dems are against free universal healthcare...because you know..they work for those private insurances you are talking about.


I have been telling you guys that war is primitive and barbaric and people should sit around a table to discuss the terms of a peace.
Peace is always obtainable...but the US evidently ordered Kiev to reject any peace proposals, because they hired Ukraine as servant to wage a war against Putin, their deadly enemy.

It is nice that

 

[Estro Felino]

Except that not only is healthcare a business, it is a most profitable business.

According to the cooperative principle, towns, municipalities, counties, can create autonomous cooperatives of mutual assistance and start creating a local form of public healthcare.
That would be a start.
But I believe it's the people who refuse to do that.
I am happy if my taxes pay for life-saving cancer surgery of another citizen. Because I am lucky, I don't have the cancer, so why shouldn't I support my fellow citizen?
What about Americans?

It is something that is so profitable that those profiting are embarrassed/shameful/guilty/etc. enough to push a false narrative of "non-profit to the gullible.

Same thing as for high IQ people who believe bankers are philanthropists.

Do you have any evidence of these claims that are not Russian propaganda?

Lots of evidence.
Logic. When Kiev was determined to find a solution, a compromise with Russia, there has always been someone coming from overseas to dissuade them.

 

[Pogo]

so you appear to believe