European Union: the lounge-loving and elitist Left has been defeated

[Estro Felino]

Mussolini started out socialist, but he transformed into a repressive, anti-democratic, war-loving Fascist.

Very true.

 

[Estro Felino]

1) What does that have to do with what we were talking about? We were talking about your support for the far right, despite the fact that they oppose the things you claim to support.

I don't think so.
Many far-rightists are kinda socialists. After all...the party that arose from Fascism was called Movimento Sociale Italiano.

2) How do you figure Italy is a relevant country to a conflict that doesn't involve Italy?

This conflict does involve Germany, Italy and many other countries, since Russia is a strategic partner to these countries.

3) What does the supposed support of Italians for Putin have to do with whether America should be involved in the war? Those are two separate issues.

Because what happens in Europe should be handled by the EU. Not by the US.

4) Italy still supports Ukraine. But even if they didn't, their support or denial of support wouldn't affect how America should act.

Italy support Ukrainian people, of course.
But I remind you that Scholz clearly said: "we are not at war with Russia", and this sentence was repeated by the Deputy Prime Minister of Italy.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I don't think so.
Many far-rightists are kinda socialists. After all...the party that arose from Fascism was called Movimento Sociale Italiano.

This conflict does involve Germany, Italy and many other countries, since Russia is a strategic partner to these countries.


Because what happens in Europe should be handled by the EU. Not by the US.

Italy support Ukrainian people, of course.
But I remind you that Scholz clearly said: "we are not at war with Russia", and this sentence was repeated by the Deputy Prime Minister of Italy.

Well, no, not how it works in the real world. There is the US and the EU.

And yes, we are not at war with Russia, but from there does'nt follow that Russia is a strategic partner to the EU as such.

 

[Magic Man]

I don't think so.
Many far-rightists are kinda socialists. After all...the party that arose from Fascism was called Movimento Sociale Italiano.

No, the far right opposes socialism. Socialists are on the left. And you didn't explain why you think Italians' opinion on the war in Ukraine is relevant to this topic.

This conflict does involve Germany, Italy and many other countries, since Russia is a strategic partner to these countries.

But then by that logic, it involves America and most other countries too.

Because what happens in Europe should be handled by the EU. Not by the US.

Sure, just like in WWII, right? If Italy is relevant regarding this conflict, so is America.

Italy support Ukrainian people, of course.
But I remind you that Scholz clearly said: "we are not at war with Russia", and this sentence was repeated by the Deputy Prime Minister of Italy.

What relevance does "we are not at war with Russia" have? Yes, only Ukraine is technically at war with Russia, and yet plenty of other countries have an interest in the war. Also, the prime minister is far right, and even with her, Italy hasn't officially changed its support for Ukraine.

 

[Estro Felino]

Yeah, how was it conducted, by what company and who paid for it?

Ask LA7.
It's a leftist channel, after all.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Ask LA7.
It's a leftist channel, after all.

Okay, so you have not even a vauge idea of their bias or factual reporting. Or if that report was opinion or what?

 

[Magic Man]

Ask LA7.
It's a leftist channel, after all.

You're using it as evidence. You're supposed to be able to provide information about the evidence you're using.

 

[Estro Felino]

Okay, so you have not even a vauge idea of their bias or factual reporting. Or if that report was opinion or what?

Are you familiar with this? Sealioning - Wikipedia

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Are you familiar with this? Sealioning - Wikipedia

Yeah, you have had issues with this before as I recall. You find something on the Internet, but can't back it up. Now if you want me to put you on ignore, ask and I will do so.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Well...asking for evidence 24/7 instead of debating civilly is sealioning.

Well, yeah. If you feel like that, then report me, because it would be breaking the rules.

What do you want me to say? Anything on the Internet is true? Well, no, it is not.

 

[Valjean]

The European Left? Yes. It's a banking Left.

The bankers and industrialists are the powerful, privileged, élite you criticize. They exploit and live off the common people, and generally dictate government policy. They are the Right, not the Left.

In a parallel universe, maybe.

No! Just read some of the leftist policies and agendas. They are all about fairness, equality and human rights. The empower people as individuals, not as powerless cogs in an industrial machine or as powerless thralls promoting of state policy. "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" is a left-wing agenda.

I believe The State is the supreme entity that all citizens should worship, because it represents the common good.
Individualistic and selfish needs come second.

Q.E.D.

It represents the self-interests of the rich and powerful élite, who exploit the masses and seek to keep them powerless and compliant.
The State is rarely benevolent, and rarely seeks to promote the interests or welfare of the citizens. It worships power and despises weakness. It promotes war as a noble tool of State, and holds that the strong have a right to dominate the weak. This is the unabashed, Fascist philosophy of Mussolini, as even a casual reading of his later writing will reveal.

Fascism is right-wing Stateism, engaged in a never-ending struggle for domination, with all other states, with the citizens as pawns in the game.

 

[Valjean]

Maybe you didn't see what happened in Germany and in France, lately...

When people feel threatened or insecure, they become infantalized, and seek a Strong-Father figure to submit to.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

@Estro Felino

https://www.politico.eu/europe-poll-of-polls/european-parliament-election/

Select European People's Party, Socialists and Democrats and Renew. The center left to center right held.

 

[Magic Man]

Well...asking for evidence 24/7 instead of debating civilly is sealioning.

Maybe it is. However, asking for the source and methodology behind a survey you're using as evidence is part of a civil debate, and it's not sealioning. Your part of the civil debate would be to provide the information requested.

 

[Valjean]

So, since we are a relevant country in the EU, I kindly advise Americans to mind their own business and to not interfere in this war.

One people. One nation. One world. We are our brothers' keepers.

 

[Valjean]

Maybe you didn't see what happened in Germany and in France, lately...

We saw similar things happening in the 1920s and '30s.....
The historically literate find this worrisome.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

It has nothing to do with Putin.
The French don't want to be sent to fight in the steppe, in a stupid, idiotic war artificially created by an elitist gang from the US.

Potato, pot8to.
Same thing. "having to go fight in a war" was on nobody's mind when voting for the extreme right.
Their wallets, bs about immigration, etc were on their minds.

Rome is not that distant. Why don't you have a trip to Rome and interview random people on the street? I suggest Roman suburbs.
Ask them: "do you prefer Putin or Soros?"
I guess the answers will open your eyes...

That's not the question to be asked.
The question is "how do you vote" and if the answer is "extreme right", THEN the question is "why?"

And the answers will not include anything about russia, ukraine, ww3, etc - which was what you were claiming.

The answers will include bs like being anti-woke, homophobia, anti-immigration, my wallet / prices at the store / inflation,...
Stuff like that.

I mean...they are just courageous patriots, that's all.

If that is what you want to call it.
Doesn't matter and doesn't change the point made.
You made a false claim. You pretended the rise of extreme-right and populist facist is directly linked to ukraine, russia and war.
It's not. All data I have seen shows it's not.

You haven't shown anything except your bare claims.

I do know they repel war. Period.

Yeah... who doesn't.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The so called European far-right would never be against "free universal healthcare"...to begin with.

I wouldn't be too sure about that.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

This thread is about European elections and what Europeans think of this war.
Can I have the answer, now?

I don't remember any party's campaign being about this war.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

So, since we are a relevant country in the EU, I kindly advise Americans to mind their own business and to not interfere in this war.

So who died and made italians king of the world?