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Everybody needs faith in something, right?

Thief

Rogue Theologian
I don't have faith, if something is going to happen then it will happen, if its not going to happen then it wont happen, my faith isn't going to make any difference in what will happen.
I suspect what we hold as true awaits for us.....and we stand to it right after our last breath
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Some not all. Not everyone has egos just becauae they dont see something greater.
so....some have no ego.....AND have no belief in something greater.....?

that still puts the nonbeliever on top....
believing in nothing but himself...
and at the same time.....
not believing in himself
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
so....some have no ego.....AND have no belief in something greater.....?

that still puts the nonbeliever on top....
believing in nothing but himself...
and at the same time.....
not believing in himself


That makes no sense. I dont believe in anything greater. No heirarchy. That doesnt make me on top. It makes my priorities centered around others and equality, respect and unconditional love. It takes out puting myself at a lower position to something greater and makin me have a relationship with whom I believe in.

Many nonbelievers dont believe himself Onmy as a priority. Many have values. Not all need to be religious in nature for these values to focus on others not self.

How do you compare nonbelievers and people thinking about themselves?

What do they Not believe in that would make them think only of themselves instead of acknowledging there are more alternatives to value than what you do?
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
A child is born and when it starts learning from the parents and other members of the family, if he does not trust them and doubts them he will remain ignorant the whole life.

Uh, no. That is just not at all how things happen in reality. You are taking far more poetic license than is warranted here, or maybe you are just mistaken?

Later in life when he sees some anomaly in the things then of course he could do. This is the natural course. Right?
Regards
I don't think so.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Are you asking me, @paarsurrey ?

People learn from many other people beyond one's parents and family. Nor is what one learns from family always better than what one learns elsewhere, far from it.

Doubting and learning reasons to trust despite doubt is a good thing in science, which is built upon that strategy. And it may be even better in everyday living and creating values.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
That makes no sense. I dont believe in anything greater. No heirarchy. That doesnt make me on top. It makes my priorities centered around others and equality, respect and unconditional love. It takes out puting myself at a lower position to something greater and makin me have a relationship with whom I believe in.

Many nonbelievers dont believe himself Onmy as a priority. Many have values. Not all need to be religious in nature for these values to focus on others not self.

How do you compare nonbelievers and people thinking about themselves?

What do they Not believe in that would make them think only of themselves instead of acknowledging there are more alternatives to value than what you do?
this post makes you one of a kind.....

better than most if you actual perform as you say....

top of the line.

hierarchy cannot be avoided.
there will always be lesser and greater in every aspect of breathing.....
and again ...when we don't
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
it has been a long standing prophecy that Man would meet in war over belief.

any one left standing won't have much to care about


What prophecy??? Man has been in wars for most all of mankind's existence over differing beliefs.That would be the equivalent of predicting the sun will come up tomorrow,
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
What prophecy??? Man has been in wars for most all of mankind's existence over differing beliefs.That would be the equivalent of predicting the sun will come up tomorrow,
yeah....I know...
and I heard somewhere, there are 60 wars of various size and cause on earth at all times

but maybe you've seen the book of Revelation?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
this post makes you one of a kind.....

better than most if you actual perform as you say....

top of the line.

hierarchy cannot be avoided.
there will always be lesser and greater in every aspect of breathing.....
and again ...when we don't

Dont know if thats a compliment :confused: I believe and act in a lot of what I say. Learning curve rather than expecting another to practice their morals to the T after expressing them.... I see words more important than actions. Many can act but if they dont have their morals in their heart and by their tongue, the massage gets construed. But if one says their morals of their heart and by tongue, whatever actiond they perform doesnt void their truth but they are spiritually growing in it.

Anyway, thank you.

:leafwind:

Unfortunately, humans like to see themselves in heirarchy. Its a power thing. A parent doesnt make themselves a parent. They are one autoatically once they have children

But I like this: My co worker has one boy, bout eighteen now I think. Ever since he was young, she taught him respect and always got him to question what he learned. In this case, she always wanted him to ponder his wrong doings against gods word rather than punish him. Punishment teaches less than instruction and healthy communication. Anyway, she acts in a different role. Not of an authority (which most think of when heirarchy is said) but kinda like a teacher.

Its beautiful actually.

The power of heirarchy is abused a lot. From politics to family life/abuse. I choose not to see life that way. It makes me feel lesser than another human when they have the same ten toes I have. I choose (if god exists) to see god as a friend. He has the same spirit in him that he would have given me. Why treat him as if he is above me. Relation-tionships are just that, relations.

I choose not to have my students look up to me. I teach and because of the nature of the class, sometimes I sit With them and sometimes I speak With them. They trust me as if I am their equal not their authority.

For some reason they feel they have an "obligation " to respect me as a teacher but when they can see me shift that role to their level, if you like, they respect me as just as them; we learn from each other.

You commented about action: thats one way I act in what I say, by my profession, how I pray, who I pray to, how I interact with others, and with myself.

Our society has made us be under or over people when that does not always need to the the case. That was the purpose of democracy though they kinda abuse their intentions as such.

There is no communism in my country (at least direct and by law). Police authority arent greater than civilians. In a dream world, they would help citizens know their rights, know what they are arrested for, and be trained to know the difference between fear and instinct vs aggression and intentional impulse.

Sorry, Im going on as usual.

The way we see heirachy is very unhealthy. I dont see life that way. I dont see something greater because it puts me at a lower level. I have a choice to see people as equals and dont take positions where I am not, from having children to a pet to being a police offer to a sgt in the military.
 
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