If we are ready to identify zero evidence with incomplete evidence, then...maybe.
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Everybody needs faith in something, right?
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If we are ready to identify zero evidence with incomplete evidence, then...maybe.
Ciao
- viole
paarsurrey
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One has to have faith in the data one is going to use to make an experiment of a premise. Right? Please
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Faith in the data, like in prior information? Prior information is not faith based, no. That "premise" one is trying to test is the closest you'll get to faith but belief in a premise still being tested is not necessary and probably ill advised.
jonathan180iq
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We are all biologically predisposed to faith, yes. It's part of what keeps us alive as young offspring - blind adherence and obedience.
As a matter of fact, one of the reasons that faith feels so good in our adulthood is because it is a return to a childlike mentality - a psychological release of stresses to a higher power (mom and dad are simply replaced by your imaginary friend of choice.)
As a matter of fact, one of the reasons that faith feels so good in our adulthood is because it is a return to a childlike mentality - a psychological release of stresses to a higher power (mom and dad are simply replaced by your imaginary friend of choice.)
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
I don't think your understanding what I mean by prior information. Prior information is data we can count on to be true, data that we already have, not made up data.
james bond
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Maybe I don't understand what you mean by this statement and whether you are looking for logic or something humans need (psychological, physical, spiritual). One can show the data is true and then everyone can use it unless it's private or protected data. Same with information or a premise. If it's data, then I would put it under want. If it's worldview, then I would put it under need. I would think faith is something we all need in order to have a worldview. Even a baby would have a worldview although it may not be similar to that of his parents, i.e. an adult.
the question is:
"Everybody needs faith in something, right?"
What is a "something", to have faith in ?
This almost points to a believer's thread.
At almost 78yrs of life,
I hope I will die, and release my gnosis,
of my own death aue natural.
~
I take a breath right now,
and the breath is the remains of all those spirits.
The air that inflates my lungs, is spirit leavings.
We will all become 'remains',
but I doubt that anyone will know it.
~
Boy....it would be nice to smell it.
~
'mud
"Everybody needs faith in something, right?"
What is a "something", to have faith in ?
This almost points to a believer's thread.
At almost 78yrs of life,
I hope I will die, and release my gnosis,
of my own death aue natural.
~
I take a breath right now,
and the breath is the remains of all those spirits.
The air that inflates my lungs, is spirit leavings.
We will all become 'remains',
but I doubt that anyone will know it.
~
Boy....it would be nice to smell it.
~
'mud
Segev Moran
Well-Known Member
Why would you NEED faith?
I Understand needing Hope...
I Understand the need to positive thinker...
Faith can be a very dangerous thing!
I Think the people need to stop pretending and really start understanding that Faith is as Bad as it is Good...
But more important, People need to stop accepting Faith as a valid argument!!!
Segev Moran
Well-Known Member
That's not Faith
You might hope your football team will win...
You might think that based on statistics, there is a big chance of them winning...But Faith ha got nothing to do with it
Faith is believing in something although it has no valid proof of existence...
Unless you think God will make your team win.. Than you have Faith in God... Which can be a Good thing or a Bad thing (Depending who it is you ask)
But by that definition cowboy fans have faith ehh?That's not Faith
You might hope your football team will win...
You might think that based on statistics, there is a big chance of them winning...But Faith ha got nothing to do with it
Faith is believing in something although it has no valid proof of existence...
Unless you think God will make your team win.. Than you have Faith in God... Which can be a Good thing or a Bad thing (Depending who it is you ask)
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Do you believe that "G-d does not exist" ? Please give some valid proof/evidence for that notion.That's not Faith
You might hope your football team will win...
You might think that based on statistics, there is a big chance of them winning...But Faith ha got nothing to do with it
Faith is believing in something although it has no valid proof of existence...
Unless you think God will make your team win.. Than you have Faith in God... Which can be a Good thing or a Bad thing (Depending who it is you ask)
If you cannot prove it, then you have faith in "Atheism". Right? Please
Regards
Segev Moran
Well-Known Member
Hmmm...
Uhhh in short... Nope... Not right...
Actually.. quite far from right....
to say having faith in atheism is like saying you believe that you don't believe..
Which contradicts it self... thus its not a valid sentence...
So you actually cannot say Atheist Faith as Atheists DO NOT BELIEVE that there is a God... They don't have Faith... They rely on science and evidence and assumptions... So its like saying Having Faith that i don't have faith... Impossible
Please note the HUGH HUGH difference, that for some reason, all theist seem to disregard....
Atheist don't claim there is no god... They claim they do not believe there is a God based on current evidence!!!
BTW,
If there was even ONE small undeniable evidence that God exists... it would have become a fact... and will no longer be considered Faith...
So basically, Everyone who claims that religion is having faith... Actually admits that there is no evidence at all for religious God (or any God for that matter)..
The scriptures.. as Bright and Rich and an amazing philosophical literature.. they are what they are... PHILOSOPHICAL and not FACTUAL
Right? Please
Regards
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
So your reasoning in post # 110 as colored in magenta by me in post # 112 is invalid. Please
Regards
Regards
Segev Moran
Well-Known Member
The post question wasn't if there is such thing as faith... it was whether or not you need it...
So the short answer is No.. you don't...
And as you stated in your post that you have faith in unimportant things, I Just stated that it is not faith...
Saying my football team will win... is not faith, is hope...
Saying GOD will make my football team win (Although quite absurd if you ask me) is Faith...
Your welcome
That would be like asking to prove that invisible blue fairies do not exist, and be labeled as "having faith in a-bluefairism" after failing to do that.
Very well then. i have faith in a-theism in the same way I have faith in a-bluefairism.
Happy with that?
Ciao
- viole
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
Everybody needs faith in something, right?
Don't you have faith in science? It works wonders. Please
Regards
Don't you have faith in science? It works wonders. Please
Regards
Science does not need faith, and in fact sort of requires the ability of overcoming it.