Everyone worships

[SalixIncendium]

They really need to stop trying to say we're all like them, especially atheists.

Exactly, especially in light of the fact that we know everyone is like me.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's what you value the most. For example, if it's your caprice that navigates your life and you value that above all else, the Quran says such people have take their caprice as a god.

That's just a word game.
I value my life, but I don't worship it.
It's not sacred, eternal, supernatural, or
anything to which "worship" would apply.

 

[Link]

I'm still lost for words on that.

It's ranking. For example N^3 contains N^2 but not vice versa.

So value is lowest form, then if you value something greatly, it's a of higher form, but still a form of valuing. Then you get when you really value highly above all great things, it's exalting. However, the final rank, is when you exalt above all else, and value to that degree, it's worship.

In Islam, only the Creator has the worship rank, because he is to be exalted above all exalted ones by a far degree, that the word should be reserved for that holy being.

But if he don't exist, then it maybe pleasure becomes the highest thing to value.

 

[Link]

That's just a word game.
I value my life, but I don't worship it.
It's not sacred, eternal, supernatural, or
anything to which "worship" would apply.

Most of the world and ancient usage of it is how I describe. The word games really came for elite "academics" who overcomplicated the two terms: worship and religion. Way too complex so that they can escape them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Most of the world and ancient usage of it is how I describe. The word games really came for elite "academics" who overcomplicated the two terms: worship and religion. Way too complex so that they can escape them.

I'm not an academic.
Just a simple groundskeeper.

 

[LuisDantas]

I have found this to be true in our day and time, sometimes worded differently but people worship the One True God or something else. May be something tangible, themselves, objects but we were made to worship. People are no different than these philosophers.

”“The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands. And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else. From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’ As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’ “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”“
‭‭Acts‬ ‭17‬:‭24‬-‭31‬ ‭NIV‬‬

I have major issue with this claim of yours.

I stand uncertain that it is even possible for many people to worship in any meaningful way - even after we establish what would qualify as worship.

 

[LuisDantas]

Most of the world and ancient usage of it is how I describe. The word games really came for elite "academics" who overcomplicated the two terms: worship and religion. Way too complex so that they can escape them.

"Escape"?

It seems to me that the words themselves make a fairly good job of escaping any clear meaning on their own.

 

[LuisDantas]

It's true per Arabic language. Atheists overcomplicate the definition and English definitions often are too complicated. For example the definition of religion in English, way too complex. Worship is what we value the most. If there is no ultimate Creator that is the One God, then there are multiple things we would value the most, potentially and most likely, ourselves.

Seems to me that you are pointing out a deficiency of Arabic, then.

"Diin" probably ought to be distinguished from religion.

"Ibadah" is quite possibly beyond the means and abilities of many, perhaps most people, since it defines itself in relation to Ibrahim's Allah.

 

[Link]

Seems to me that you are pointing out a deficiency of Arabic, then.

"Diin" probably ought to be distinguished from religion.

"Ibadah" is quite possibly beyond the means and abilities of many, perhaps most people, since it defines itself in relation to Ibrahim's Allah.

See post #23.

 

[LuisDantas]

It's very profound and very grounded I would say, what he quoted.

I emphatically disagree. It is patronizing to a serious degree and mor than a little bit delusional.

 

[LuisDantas]

See post #23.

How would that answer my objection?

 

[Link]

How would that answer my objection?

It simplifies it and even makes a math analogy with n n^2, n^3, etc... should be easy to follow.

 

[LuisDantas]

It simplifies it and even makes a math analogy with n n^2, n^3, etc... should be easy to follow.

By departing merrily from anything that would exist in the real world.

 

[Link]

By departing merrily from anything that would exist in the real world.

...

 

[Bthoth]

It's ranking. For example N^3 contains N^2 but not vice versa.

So value is lowest form, then if you value something greatly, it's a of higher form, but still a form of valuing. Then you get when you really value highly above all great things, it's exalting. However, the final rank, is when you exalt above all else, and value to that degree, it's worship.

In Islam, only the Creator has the worship rank, because he is to be exalted above all exalted ones by a far degree, that the word should be reserved for that holy being.

But if he don't exist, then it maybe pleasure becomes the highest thing to value.

Is that a sermon? Are you telling me, what the word worship means in your church?

No god ever wrote a word to tell people that worship means all of that.

 

[ElishaElijah]

People worship whatever they give their lives to, time, attention, money, love and adoration to. Now unless you are the Creator and all -powerful one that is in control of things then there is a power greater than yourself, some place science and the things you can see, feel and touch in high esteem over everything and base your life and decisions on these things. People protect and fight for the things they worship, give their lives to these things. Yes, everyone does worship something.
Do you idolize your intellect and knowledge? That’s your idol and worship. Some may put a high value on material things, materialism and that is your god and worship.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Most of the world and ancient usage of it is how I describe. The word games really came for elite "academics" who overcomplicated the two terms: worship and religion. Way too complex so that they can escape them.

You say others complicate it while you try to attach and confuse the definition and stretch it to try to say we all worship amd you can't escape it?

 

[SalixIncendium]

Yes, everyone does worship something.
Do you idolize your intellect and knowledge? That’s your idol and worship. Some may put a high value on material things, materialism and that is your god and worship.

Clearly, you missed post #6.

I idolize nothing. So again, tell me what I worship.

 

[Link]

You say others complicate it while you try to attach and confuse the definition and stretch it to try to say we all worship amd you can't escape it?

My definition is the one it's been used from ancient times and by most of the world.

 

[Link]

Is that a sermon? Are you telling me, what the word worship means in your church?

No god ever wrote a word to tell people that worship means all of that.

Verse 2:255 eloquence is highly dependent on this definition.