Everything came forth from nothing?

[URAVIP2ME]

Let me ask...
Everything is formed by something else (egg to her sperm; HO2, CO2, heat, etc to the formation of the earth and resources for life to live on it); how can you have a child pop out of thin air?
Mother and father didnt create a child. The sperm and egg existed to form another human being. There wasnt a poof. Everything happens in cause and relationship with something else.
If god is the creator, the creator (unless a force that IS motion or energy to form things from combination of preexisting things), a being would need to exist for it to create. But how do you find logic that god breaks the nature of he who created it?
If god created the world, then there would need to be some sort of big bang. How wouls you explain something popped into existence without a Big Bang!
As for evolution, I went to the meseum months ago for a art project. This is what I found: What does it mean to be human? Exploring human origins. I was thinking humans migrated from humans. Its not explaines like that..like an X-Man thing. It actually makes sense:
Our brain skulls are quite similar. That and we have similar structures to animals as well.
This is what I did my project on. As we graduated in looks which is an influence of our environment not X-Man genes, you see the relationship between mother and child. Just today mothers dont need to hunt; we work and pay bills instead. Probably just as stressful.
If you have a chance and youre in our US Nations Capitol, visit our mesaums.
Alsp, when you create something, its not magic. You take preexisting things and put them together to invent something new. So, if by creator you mean energy and what makes the universe form into existence, I agree.
If youre saying the creator poped life into mid air, thats like the big bang; just in religious language rather than scientific.

I find at Isaiah 40:26 God did Not create out of nothing, but God created out of His great power and strength.
In other words, God supplied the abundantly needed dynamic energy to create the material realm of existence.

After the Flood of Noah's Day, people migrated out of ancient Babylon and took with them their ' new ' languages along with their ' old ' non-biblical religious beliefs and practices and spread those religious-myth ideas world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great. That explains why we see similar or overlapping religious teachings throughout the world today.

 

[idav]

So, I took my meds today and realized that last night when I didn't get to sleep till after 6:00Am and started a thread say "the big bang" gave us everything, I forgot to take my Seroquel, antipsychotic.

Still, I'll stand by it.

The big bang did give us everything. Indirectly, in a similar sense to saying, Jesus is responsible for the existence of the Papacy.

Obviously, some of us are not scientifically oriented, which is one reason why, some of us have inner convictions that prevent us from believing that energy for a big bang, independent of an intelligent supernatural creative designer, lead to a series of events that gave birth to scientific mechanisms responsible for this:

I'm totally willing to accept evolution, and the big bang, but am not able to believe such transformations and mutations took place, independent of a guide.

People say there is no evidence for a creator. I beg to differ. I see evidence for a creator every day. A lot of people do.

I've studied eyewitness testimonies, medically documented miracles, and supernatural phenomenon that has no scientific explanation. I believe God chooses not to grant those favors to most people, and it makes me angry at God, but still, God provides the evidence, and many atheists, communists, scientists, and agnostics, have given their testimony of how someone with the gift of prophecy, a miracle, or supernatural phenomenon, converted them. Yet many people dismiss all that on the basis that God has not provided those graces to them, therefore the testimonies, including scientifically and medically documented miracles, are simply false.

Another thing, Apes share 99% similar DNA...but are we really all that similar?
In my opinion, there are actually very few similarities between human's and chimps. It simply appears obvious to me. We have common DNA and we are both primates, but I see very few similarities to be honest.

Chimps lack language, no alphabet, plumbing, medicine, civilization, and display few behaviors that resemble a human being.

Anyway,
let's get to the real reason I started this thread. Did any of these: Nickel, iron, rock, silicon, , magnesium, aluminum, oxygen, other minerals, calcium, sodium, potassium, liquid water, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and other gases, always exist?

Did any of these exist without beginning?

If so, doesn't it take a leap of faith to believe that? Also, if they had to have a beginning, doesn't that mean they essentially came forth from nothingness?

Also, can we prove the theories about "Scientific mechanisms" that could cause living creatures to come forth from these elements or substances?

You underestimate your cousins.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

In other words, God supplied the abundantly needed dynamic energy to create the material realm of existence.

What is energy from god?

Can you translate that outside of metaphysic and poetic terminology?

Nothing is created. Unless you mean the big bang; but, I think even that, there was still something to which the rest of the universe formed out of.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

What is energy from god?
Can you translate that outside of metaphysic and poetic terminology?
Nothing is created. Unless you mean the big bang; but, I think even that, there was still something to which the rest of the universe formed out of.

Energy from God would be His powerful spirit as mentioned at Psalms 104:30; Psalms 33:6.
Yes, the rest of the universe was formed out of the Big Bang, and it was God who supplied the abundantly needed Power and Strength (dynamic energy) to start that Bang! - Isaiah 40:26

 

[Cacotopia]

I find at Isaiah 40:26 God did Not create out of nothing, but God created out of His great power and strength.
In other words, God supplied the abundantly needed dynamic energy to create the material realm of existence.

After the Flood of Noah's Day, people migrated out of ancient Babylon and took with them their ' new ' languages along with their ' old ' non-biblical religious beliefs and practices and spread those religious-myth ideas world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great. That explains why we see similar or overlapping religious teachings throughout the world today.

Matter and energy are the same thing but I doubt the authors of the bible knew this and essentially this is still something from nothing.

Also post flood, of how a handful of people can turn into a few million is HIGHLY suspect unless there was a ridiculous amount of child rape incest going on.

 

[idav]

Energy from God would be His powerful spirit as mentioned at Psalms 104:30; Psalms 33:6.
Yes, the rest of the universe was formed out of the Big Bang, and it was God who supplied the abundantly needed Power and Strength (dynamic energy) to start that Bang! - Isaiah 40:26

It’s just as easy to say the singularity was the god providing the energy for the universe. If a god that powerful can come from nothing so can the singularity that initiated the Big Bang.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Energy from God would be His powerful spirit as mentioned at Psalms 104:30; Psalms 33:6

What is this energy?
Whats the nature of it?

I know another word for it is spirit.
I know you call it god

But what is a god to where I understand the nature of this energy?

What part of energy can I determine it is from god and not from, say, kenestic or potiential rather than a divine force?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Matter and energy are the same thing but I doubt the authors of the bible knew this and essentially this is still something from nothing.
Also post flood, of how a handful of people can turn into a few million is HIGHLY suspect unless there was a ridiculous amount of child rape incest going on.

Bible does Not say created out of matter, but that God supplied the energy ( His power and strength ) needed to created the visible material matter realm of existence. In other words, the invisible realm existed before the visible.
God's energy is Not nothing. Just as a Power Plant grid supplies the electricity and electricity is Not nothing.

Why would reproducing have to mean child rape/incest. Not saying those pagan people of ancient Babylon were moral but on the other hand would Not have to mean they had no moral conscience.
As to how long before earth's population reached a few million I don't know.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

It’s just as easy to say the singularity was the god providing the energy for the universe. If a god that powerful can come from nothing so can the singularity that initiated the Big Bang.

I find the Bible does Not teach God came from nothing, but according to Psalms 90:2 God is from everlasting......
So, according to Scripture God had No beginning and will have No end. God did Not come from nothing.
Just as we can always count both forwards and backwards forever and ever shows eternity is in our hearts.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

What is this energy?
Whats the nature of it?
I know another word for it is spirit.
I know you call it god
But what is a god to where I understand the nature of this energy?
What part of energy can I determine it is from god and not from, say, kenestic or potiential rather than a divine force?

Not exactly saying 'God and His spirit is God' but that God's spirit is the power He uses at His disposal.
Seems as if ALL energy is supplied by God. Supplied by God's spirit - Psalms 104:30.
As a Power Plant grid supplies electricity and then the electricity is used by man for different purposes.
Man thus chooses to use the nature of such power for good or for bad.

 

[Cacotopia]

I guess I will repeat myself then Matter and energy are the same thing.

 

[idav]

I find the Bible does Not teach God came from nothing, but according to Psalms 90:2 God is from everlasting......
So, according to Scripture God had No beginning and will have No end. God did Not come from nothing.
Just as we can always count both forwards and backwards forever and ever shows eternity is in our hearts.

Going by back to the singularity is going back to a mystery and people choose to fill the mystery with yet another mystery. There is no reason why the singularity itself isn’t “everlasting” especially considering the laws of physics suggest it would be timeless when we hit the event horizon.

 

[Cacotopia]

how then did 8 people become a few million in 700 years? minimum time to have sex is 12/13 years plus 9 months lets a call it a year gestation time. so every year you can pop a kid out or so. But must wait a minimum of 12-15 years for your children to get preggers. But who is to say the original fathers are impregnating the kids of their kids? How else do you get 8 to turn into 3-4 million in 700 years AND they live to be a few hundred years old too magically.

 

[NathantheProfit]

Of the thousands of species that exhibit homosexual behavior we are the only species that persecutes our own for it.

We are the only species that enslaves our own and other species. (I'm not a vegan they are delicious)

We are the only species that attempts to control and harness nature and ultimately ruins it with our childish meddling.

We are the only species (namely this is a religious ideal) that thinks the world is our playground and haphazardly destroy it with reckless abandon, because the after life is our real home.

We have spread across the globe like a plague, annihilating everything that is the beauty of nature in our path and think this is a good thing.

There is civility in the simplicity that is the natural order of the world.

You sir, share a similar sentiment to humanity as the late great George Carlin.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Going by back to the singularity is going back to a mystery and people choose to fill the mystery with yet another mystery. There is no reason why the singularity itself isn’t “everlasting” especially considering the laws of physics suggest it would be timeless when we hit the event horizon.

I don't recall hearing the expression ' hit the event horizon '
What I have heard is the expression of " Peace and Security " will be proclaimed as the ' hit the event horizon '.
What I find at 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 is that the time is coming, that event horizon, when ' they ' ( the powers that be ) will be saying, " Peace and Security " as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14.
Instead of time-less (as in less time), it will mean 'more time' or 'everlasting time' for righteous mankind and Earth.
In other words, what I am saying according to Scripture, Earth abides forever ( Ecclesiastes 1:4 B ) and so will righteous mankind starting with Jesus' coming 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth.

 

[Cacotopia]

I love George Carlin but I think Joe Rogan put it best. We are mold on a sandwich and our goal is to eat the sandwich.

 

[NathantheProfit]

I love George Carlin but I think Joe Rogan put it best. We are mold on a sandwich and our goal is to eat the sandwich.

That's such a dismally nihilist viewpoint. ..

I love it.

 

[osgart]

Define nothing. Is nothing a quantum vaccuum. Or is it the absolute of not one thing.

Seems to me at the singularity the laws of physics breakdown. I dont think anybody knows enough at that point what was going on in there.

Mathematics of Eternity Prove The Universe Must Have Had A Beginning

So i take it on faith, since i cant do the math myself that these guys really know whats going on.

Since there must be an absolute beginning that throws the cosmological argument back in play. Round and round we go.

cosmological argument - Google Search:

Then there is the issue of time
Time and the Big Bang – Exactly What Is Time?


So if there was no time and no place before the big bang then they reason something indeed comes from nothing and its all in the realm of philosophy because no one knows as of yet.

Personally i think the cosmological argument is still alive.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Not exactly saying 'God and His spirit is God' but that God's spirit is the power He uses at His disposal.
Seems as if ALL energy is supplied by God. Supplied by God's spirit - Psalms 104:30.
As a Power Plant grid supplies electricity and then the electricity is used by man for different purposes.
Man thus chooses to use the nature of such power for good or for bad.

That doesnt exain the nature of god's energy just its function and the use of it.

What is the energy supplied by god?

 

[Spiderman]

Do you think we are more civilized?

In many ways yes...but sometimes we have serial killers and Dictators, so it depends in what ways