Everything came forth from nothing?

[Spiderman]

Let me ask...

Everything is formed by something else (egg to her sperm; HO2, CO2, heat, etc to the formation of the earth and resources for life to live on it); how can you have a child pop out of thin air?

Mother and father didnt create a child. The sperm and egg existed to form another human being. There wasnt a poof. Everything happens in cause and relationship with something else.

If god is the creator, the creator (unless a force that IS motion or energy to form things from combination of preexisting things), a being would need to exist for it to create. But how do you find logic that god breaks the nature of he who created it?

If god created the world, then there would need to be some sort of big bang. How wouls you explain something popped into existence without a Big Bang!

As for evolution, I went to the meseum months ago for a art project. This is what I found: What does it mean to be human? Exploring human origins. I was thinking humans migrated from humans. Its not explaines like that..like an X-Man thing. It actually makes sense:View attachment 21680
Our brain skulls are quite similar. That and we have similar structures to animals as well.
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This is what I did my project on. As we graduated in looks which is an influence of our environment not X-Man genes, you see the relationship between mother and child. Just today mothers dont need to hunt; we work and pay bills instead. Probably just as stressful.
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If you have a chance and youre in our US Nations Capitol, visit our mesaums.

Alsp, when you create something, its not magic. You take preexisting things and put them together to invent something new. So, if by creator you mean energy and what makes the universe form into existence, I agree.

If youre saying the creator poped life into mid air, thats like the big bang; just in religious language rather than scientific.

I'm saying, I don't know how God did it...that is a mystery....but I see much evidence suggesting that something intelligent was guiding the process of evolution and scientific mechanisms, and the existence of physical substance

 

[Cacotopia]

Our species is the only species that is knowingly turning the handle on our own extinction, but would rather get closer to extinction then give up the convenience of our doodads and air conditioning. We are the only species that weakens it's base population by saving the weak.

 

[Cacotopia]

I'm saying, I don't know how God did it...that is a mystery....but I see much evidence suggesting that something intelligent was guiding the process of evolution and scientific mechanisms, and the existence of physical substance

You merely assume there is an intelligent agent. Assumptions aren't truth, and as Matt Dillahunty puts it faith is not a logical path to seeking truth.\, because faith has no vested interest in the truth.

 

[Spiderman]

how then did 8 people become a few million in 700 years? minimum time to have sex is 12/13 years plus 9 months lets a call it a year gestation time. so every year you can pop a kid out or so. But must wait a minimum of 12-15 years for your children to get preggers. But who is to say the original fathers are impregnating the kids of their kids? How else do you get 8 to turn into 3-4 million in 700 years AND they live to be a few hundred years old too magically.

I don't know...I am very skeptic of the Bible and think it is quite ridiculous in many places.

 

[Spiderman]

I don't know...I am very skeptic of the Bible and think it is quite ridiculous in many places.

You don't have to believe in the Bible to believe in a supernatural creator...most believers don't

 

[Cacotopia]

You keep saying the bible is very likely to be false but still follow it. Why, nothing better out there? I can say there a lot of other books and sources other than the bible out there the promote healthy living be it emotional, sexual, physical, intellectual, and 'spiritual.'

 

[Spiderman]

You keep saying the bible is very likely to be false but still follow it. Why, nothing better out there? I can say there a lot of other books and sources other than the bible out there the promote healthy living be it emotional, sexual, physical, intellectual, and 'spiritual.'

Wrong! I don't follow anything in the Bible that my conscience tells me is wrong, cruel, unjust, or nonsensical

 

[Cacotopia]

so almost all of it?

 

[Spiderman]

so almost all of it?

The part about love fulfilling the entire law, feeding the hungry, giving shelter to the homeless, caring for the sick, being meek, humble, poor in spirit, and not lying, killing, or stealing is great with me!

I can't give you a percentage

 

[Cacotopia]

Matthew 5:18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Ole Jesus there adhered to the so called old covenant of the old testament, this malarkey about Jesus representing a new contract is hogwash. All the horrors in the old must remain until Jesus returns. But The bible represents a crime against all humanity. The entire book.

 

[sealchan]

Let's pick random communications out of a hat.

Bees flying patterns to communicate where sources of food or threats are.

Whale/orca songs.

Dogs behavioral patterns and body stances and barking, howling, whimpering, yelping communicate to other dogs.

The puffer fish creating a perfectly symmetrical design in the sand as a form of communicating it's ready to mate.

the language of pheromones.

Every organism on the planet communicates with their own language. But because they don't write it down? It's not a language? get outta here with that nonsense sir.

Chimpanzees can learn sign language and teach it to their children.

 

[Cacotopia]

Chimpanzees can learn sign language and teach it to their children.

I know that I'm shooting off a few of the billions of examples of language made by organisms other than humans

 

[ImmortalFlame]

So, I took my meds today and realized that last night when I didn't get to sleep till after 6:00Am and started a thread say "the big bang" gave us everything, I forgot to take my Seroquel, antipsychotic.

Still, I'll stand by it.

The big bang did give us everything. Indirectly, in a similar sense to saying, Jesus is responsible for the existence of the Papacy.

Why do you insist on putting "us" at the center of everything? Don't you think that's insanely egotistical? Why would the Universe - which is 99.999999999% absolutely lethal to human beings - exist for the sole purpose of human beings. It makes absolutely no sense.

Obviously, some of us are not scientifically oriented, which is one reason why, some of us have inner convictions that prevent us from believing that energy for a big bang, independent of an intelligent supernatural creative designer, lead to a series of events that gave birth to scientific mechanisms responsible for this:

It doesn't necessarily take a "scientifically oriented" mind, just a mind possessing imagination, honesty, curiosity and openness.

I'm totally willing to accept evolution, and the big bang, but am not able to believe such transformations and mutations took place, independent of a guide.

Why?

People say there is no evidence for a creator. I beg to differ. I see evidence for a creator every day. A lot of people do.

I've studied eyewitness testimonies,

There are eyewitness testimonies for all sorts of erroneous things.

medically documented miracles,

Such as...?

and supernatural phenomenon that has no scientific explanation.

If they have "no current explanation" then you can't explain them by evoking a God. The unexplained is merely the unexplained.

I believe God chooses not to grant those favors to most people, and it makes me angry at God, but still, God provides the evidence, and many atheists, communists, scientists, and agnostics, have given their testimony of how someone with the gift of prophecy, a miracle, or supernatural phenomenon, converted them.

And many religious people can come to realize that such prophecies are nonsense and have become atheists. So what?

Yet many people dismiss all that on the basis that God has not provided those graces to them, therefore the testimonies, including scientifically and medically documented miracles, are simply false.

Just as you dismiss the testimonies of all the formerly religious people who are now atheists. The only difference is that we have good reasons for dismissing theistic arguments.

Another thing, Apes share 99% similar DNA...but are we really all that similar?
In my opinion, there are actually very few similarities between human's and chimps. It simply appears obvious to me. We have common DNA and we are both primates, but I see very few similarities to be honest.

All that really means is that it just takes 1% of a difference in DNA to produce a dramatic change. We are still virtually identical in terms of our makeup, but only one slight physiological change (specifically a more developed brain) brings about a dramatic difference in function.

Chimps lack language, no alphabet, plumbing, medicine, civilization, and display few behaviors that resemble a human being.

All of which are behaviours directly resulting from a slightly enhanced simian brain.

Anyway,
let's get to the real reason I started this thread. Did any of these: Nickel, iron, rock, silicon, , magnesium, aluminum, oxygen, other minerals, calcium, sodium, potassium, liquid water, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and other gases, always exist?

No. They formed over time.

Did any of these exist without beginning?[Q/UOTE]

We don't know.

If so, doesn't it take a leap of faith to believe that? Also, if they had to have a beginning, doesn't that mean they essentially came forth from nothingness?

No. If they always existed, then they never "came from" anything, much less "nothingness".

Also, can we prove the theories about "Scientific mechanisms" that could cause living creatures to come forth from these elements or substances?

Eventually, perhaps.

 

[Jumi]

You underestimate your cousins.

Their memory in testing is quite superior. I wonder how much better our memory was when we weren't feeding it with useless garbage since birth.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

So, I took my meds today and realized that last night when I didn't get to sleep till after 6:00Am and started a thread say "the big bang" gave us everything, I forgot to take my Seroquel, antipsychotic.

Still, I'll stand by it.

The big bang did give us everything. Indirectly, in a similar sense to saying, Jesus is responsible for the existence of the Papacy.

Obviously, some of us are not scientifically oriented, which is one reason why, some of us have inner convictions that prevent us from believing that energy for a big bang, independent of an intelligent supernatural creative designer, lead to a series of events that gave birth to scientific mechanisms responsible for this:

I'm totally willing to accept evolution, and the big bang, but am not able to believe such transformations and mutations took place, independent of a guide.

People say there is no evidence for a creator. I beg to differ. I see evidence for a creator every day. A lot of people do.

I've studied eyewitness testimonies, medically documented miracles, and supernatural phenomenon that has no scientific explanation. I believe God chooses not to grant those favors to most people, and it makes me angry at God, but still, God provides the evidence, and many atheists, communists, scientists, and agnostics, have given their testimony of how someone with the gift of prophecy, a miracle, or supernatural phenomenon, converted them. Yet many people dismiss all that on the basis that God has not provided those graces to them, therefore the testimonies, including scientifically and medically documented miracles, are simply false.

Another thing, Apes share 99% similar DNA...but are we really all that similar?
In my opinion, there are actually very few similarities between human's and chimps. It simply appears obvious to me. We have common DNA and we are both primates, but I see very few similarities to be honest.

Chimps lack language, no alphabet, plumbing, medicine, civilization, and display few behaviors that resemble a human being.

Anyway,
let's get to the real reason I started this thread. Did any of these: Nickel, iron, rock, silicon, , magnesium, aluminum, oxygen, other minerals, calcium, sodium, potassium, liquid water, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and other gases, always exist?

Did any of these exist without beginning?

If so, doesn't it take a leap of faith to believe that? Also, if they had to have a beginning, doesn't that mean they essentially came forth from nothingness?

Also, can we prove the theories about "Scientific mechanisms" that could cause living creatures to come forth from these elements or substances?

No one claims the Big Bang "came from nothing", so your starting premise is wrong.

 

[Cacotopia]

Humans are weak in terms of evolution, it's our tools that make us dangerous, one on one with almost anything else would murder us. The environment alone kills us if we didn't have clothes. Take away our intellect and we would be chattel from the rest of the planet.

 

[syo]

I'm totally willing to accept evolution, and the big bang, but am not able to believe such transformations and mutations took place, independent of a guide.

god is the dna of the universe.

 

[Cacotopia]

god is the dna of the universe.

Is it?

 

[Jumi]

Humans are weak in terms of evolution, it's our tools that make us dangerous, one on one with almost anything else would murder us. The environment alone kills us if we didn't have clothes. Take away our intellect and we would be chattel from the rest of the planet.

I think our bodies had more resistance to the environment before we started to avoid the environment and save our energy for other things. Also now that we have clothes, folks that wouldn't have survived now get around rather nicely.

 

[Cacotopia]

You can;t disagree though that our inventions weaken the base population, how many people you think take medicine instead allowing the body to create the antibodies to fight off the disease, of course you should see a doctor if you think it is serious. I'm not advocating against the practice of medicine. But I think we are over medicated to a dangerous degree. When something eventually evolves enough to surpass medication and wipes us out.

Which we kinda really do need to burn out the dead wood in the world. And at the same time give us time to figure out how to exist and not kill the planet we are on. Also not advocating biological terrorism just sayin' there's too many of us.