Everything came forth from nothing?

[Polymath257]

I was speaking of vocabulary and alphabet...Chimps don't have it...they certainly don't write anything down, and they don't have philosophers, Doctors, or teachers, or anything that resembles civilization

You realize that written language is a relatively recent development in humans, right? Humans have been around at least 100,000 years. We've had written language for about 5000 of those.

 

[Cacotopia]

You realize that written language is a relatively recent development in humans, right? Humans have been around at least 100,000 years. We've had written language for about 5000 of those.

This...

Absence of writing doesn't mean a language doesn't exist.

 

[idav]

Their memory in testing is quite superior. I wonder how much better our memory was when we weren't feeding it with useless garbage since birth.

I remember being able to remember phone numbers real good before cell phones. I had a great memory but it was never as good as that chimps. That’s photographic memory which few humans have. The other great apes can certainly learn all the garbage we can learn.

 

[Spiderman]

Matthew 5:18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

Ole Jesus there adhered to the so called old covenant of the old testament, this malarkey about Jesus representing a new contract is hogwash. All the horrors in the old must remain until Jesus returns. But The bible represents a crime against all humanity. The entire book.

Jesus also said some stupid things like call no man your father, and if your eye causes you to sin pluck it out.

Jesus spoken hyperboles and Parables that were not meant to be taken literally.
In other words, sometimes he did not mean what he said.

I don't see what it is with so many atheists somehow assuming that disproving the Bible is disproving the existence of God.

Most people that believe in Supernatural entities, do not follow the Bible as the sole ruler of their faith.

Much of the Bible was not meant to be taken literally and the Bible even makes that clear

So I don't see why you keep bringing it up.

 

[Spiderman]

I know that I'm shooting off a few of the billions of examples of language made by organisms other than humans

Sometimes when a person uses a word, you have to take it in the proper context.

When I was talking about language, what I was referring to was the ability to distinguish and identify a system of vocabulary of words with meaning.

 

[Spiderman]

Chimpanzees can learn sign language and teach it to their children.

And it does not cause them to advance in creating civilization or technology... their behavior, habit, rituals, ethics, and conduct, is far different than a human being

 

[ecco]

Obviously, some of us are not scientifically oriented, which is one reason why, some of us have inner convictions that prevent us from believing that energy for a big bang, independent of an intelligent supernatural creative designer,

In other words...

I don't know, therefore goddidit.
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That's the same thing humans have believed for tens of thousands of years.

• Why do people get sick: It's god's will
• Why is there thunder: God has a loud booming voice
• Where did man come from: God (s) made us

Their excuse was ignorance. What's your excuse?

 

[Spiderman]

No one claims the Big Bang "came from nothing", so your starting premise is wrong.

so the energy that created the bang always existed?

 

[ecco]

Anyway,
let's get to the real reason I started this thread. Did any of these: Nickel, iron, rock, silicon, , magnesium, aluminum, oxygen, other minerals, calcium, sodium, potassium, liquid water, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and other gases, always exist?

Why pose the question here? Have you not heard of google? Are you ignorant of the fact that libraries exist?

 

[ecco]

I've studied eyewitness testimonies, medically documented miracles

Show one medically documented miracle that you have studied.

 

[stvdv]

Your ignorance is no excuse for turning to made-up stuff. Why not obtain an education, instead?

I always learned "What you see in others, is also in you".

 

[ecco]

god is the dna of the universe.

Ambiguity is the essence of a good post.


Yes, the above is sarcasm.

 

[Spiderman]

Why pose the question here? Have you not heard of google? Are you ignorant of the fact that libraries exist?

People on this site have dismissed some of the links, books, and documentaries I presented, as false news

 

[stvdv]

Look at Chimp behavior compared to human behavior...we are extremely different creatures...just my opinion from observing humans

But I also see humans with quite a few animal habits. But I get your point. They won't start a post on RF that easily

 

[Spiderman]

Show one medically documented miracle that you have studied.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun
The Lourdes Medical Cures Revisited

Saint Faustina's Miracle: The Digans Tell Their Story | The Divine Mercy Message from the Marians of the Immaculate Conception

But some people just miss everything that doesn't go with their agenda

 

[stvdv]

Do you think we are more civilized?

If "civilized" means this then "YES"
A civilization or civilisation is any complex society characterized by urban development, social stratification imposed by a cultural elite, symbolic systems of communication, and a perceived separation

If "civilized" means this then "YES"
polite and good-mannered
[these are tricks learned how to behave, but can be fake to their real feelings; animals don't fake so much as humans (I love animals for that). But I would love tigres to fake non-violence (I would love to cuddle with a siberian tigre, now I won't) ]

 

[Jumi]

This...

Absence of writing doesn't mean a language doesn't exist.

I think the meaning, what @PopeADope was looking for was language on our level.

We wouldn't be here without writing or sufficiently advanced language to deal with abstract concepts. When everyone dies who knew certain mathematical techniques the next generation would have to start pretty much from scratch. Not so when writing was invented. Less stuff was lost, sometimes due to war or other turmoil.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

let's get to the real reason I started this thread. Did any of these: Nickel, iron, rock, silicon, , magnesium, aluminum, oxygen, other minerals, calcium, sodium, potassium, liquid water, nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and other gases, always exist?

Did any of these exist without beginning?

If so, doesn't it take a leap of faith to believe that? Also, if they had to have a beginning, doesn't that mean they essentially came forth from nothingness?

Also, can we prove the theories about "Scientific mechanisms" that could cause living creatures to come forth from these elements or substances?

All of the processes and mechanisms you are referring to are automatic. Even if God exists, He apparently crafted the universe in such a way that all things that happen within it, are capable of happening automatically. Chemical reactions happen automatically, substances are changed from one type/element to another automatically (via processes like fusion in the bellies of stars), crystals grow automatically, planets round themselves out automatically, babies develop inside their mothers automatically, etc.

God made absolutely sure that he didn't need to be present in order for those things to go on. You simply have to face that, and there are examples abound that are proof of it. For instance, if God were present in EVERY ITEM even on just my list above, then why would there ever be stillbirth? What sense does that even make? If God were putting His hand into every moment of transformation or the crafting of every being, then why would any baby be born dead? Life is an automated system, and sometimes things go wrong.

So, if you accept that, then you are faced with an odd sort of conundrum within your faith specifically. If God "so loves the world", then why is He taking such great pains to make sure you cannot detect His presence in any way, anywhere, in any part of our observable universe? Why did He automate things to such a degree that it appears He simply isn't present? Is that how you would treat your kids? Is that how you like to be treated by one who "loves" you? That they hide themselves every chance they get? That they only communicate with you when no one else is watching? Or only communicate with you in ways that have you stopping and wondering every so often if they are even there?

 

[Spiderman]

All of the processes and mechanisms you are referring to are automatic. Even if God exists, He apparently crafted the universe in such a way that all things that happen within it, are capable of happening automatically. Chemical reactions happen automatically, substances are changed from one type/element to another automatically (via processes like fusion in the bellies of stars), crystals grow automatically, planets round themselves out automatically, babies develop inside their mothers automatically, etc.

God made absolutely sure that he didn't need to be present in order for those things to go on. You simply have to face that, and there are examples abound that are proof of it. For instance, if God were present in EVERY ITEM even on just my list above, then why would there ever be stillbirth? What sense does that even make? If God were putting His hand into every moment of transformation or the crafting of every being, then why would any baby be born dead? Life is an automated system, and sometimes things go wrong.

So, if you accept that, then you are faced with an odd sort of conundrum within your faith specifically. If God "so loves the world", then why is He taking such great pains to make sure you cannot detect His presence in any way, anywhere, in any part of our observable universe? Why did He automate things to such a degree that it appears He simply isn't present? Is that how you would treat your kids? Is that how you like to be treated by one who "loves" you? That they hide themselves every chance they get? That they only communicate with you when no one else is watching? Or only communicate with you in ways that have you stopping and wondering every so often if they are even there?

I don't know what God's reasons are. But I find God to be cruel.

there may be certain rules that he's laid down even for him to follow, so that he does not interfere in such matters.

There is also the possibility that his hands are tied, and he is not omnipotent.

 

[stvdv]

Why pose the question here? Have you not heard of google? Are you ignorant of the fact that libraries exist?

Sometimes it helps to read in between the lines or even words IMHO. For me it's quite obvious what the OP is asking